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Hi Cr Andrew Antoniolli Are you able to reference the scientific study council bases its stratefy on wrt desexed dogs being less aggressive and roaming less. Thankyou I don't think any responsible, informed breeder would argue with him on this point. Unneutered dogs, if unsecured, will wander in search of a mate. And if they encounter any competition in the process (ie another unneutered dog) they will fight for the 'right' to mate with a bitch that is in season. That's great but I'm interested in the science. Neutered dogs, if unsecured, will wander. Neutered dogs will fight. I know in season bitches that will fight males desexed, and entire and I know entire dogs that wont fight AND will stay home So yes I'd like the facts maam not creative writing.

I suggest Sandown and Craigieburn. Both surgeries do many implants with the racers. I'll be using Michael Bell when I eventually use some of my import semen. I have it stored at Monash but plan to move it soon. Monash don't do surgical implants btw, only endo. I know 100% that Michael does the surgical implants. Monash do surgical implants

Yes DNA testing is still enforced, well with Dogs Vic

I suggest Sandown and Craigieburn. Both surgeries do many implants with the racers. I'll be using Michael Bell when I eventually use some of my import semen. I have it stored at Monash but plan to move it soon. Monash don't do surgical implants btw, only endo. I know 100% that Michael does the surgical implants. Whippets, do Sandown and Cragieburn both store semen? ta Cragieburn sounds good but too far for me unless I board the dog at the vets .......

Yes frozen semen can live for a few days but I would not attribute this to import semen, paricularly import semen from countries other than USA / NZD. Too many variables from point of collection. The significantly reduced success rate of import frozen semen compared to local frozen semen, indicates that the viable lifespan of import semen is not nearly as long as local frozen semen. Dont know why, probably to do with country of origin/techniques/customs etc.

Hi Cr Andrew Antoniolli Are you able to reference the scientific study council bases its stratefy on wrt desexed dogs being less aggressive and roaming less. Thankyou

lol yes, going for the fifth time lucky, gosh who's deranged I guess why I think it matters if the semen is local or import is because the success rate for local frozen semen is around 85-90% for most vets who use frozen whereas the success rate for import semen is 40% - and that was before my spectacular misses came along to skew the odds. With import semen because you have so much more variables between collection and its ultimate use, even though frozen semen can live for a few hours its also probable that it could live for only a few minutes up to one hour - so exactly when to insert the semen / predicting when the eggs are mature becomes somewhat of an extrapolated guessing game. It helps if the bitch has had previous cycles/pregnancies already prog monitored, so if you've been using another vet who has done this, I would say stick with the vet who knows your bitch and her cycles because that is a really important factor. Some breeds freeze better than others and some countries (wrt semen country of origin) have better results than others. If its local frozen semen: Cragieburn, Monash, Sandown.

Of course not. I had an ACDC preparty to attend and then a great night out woo hoo not so good the next day though I'm not critical or the attendees (thanks for sharing ) or even the Presenters' effort; the logic and functionality of the ideal amicability test/study I am trying to understand.

How can a dog's past socialisation or genetics mean nothing in these two scenarios? Why would a guard dog not behave as the dog in the second scenario? The dog in the second scenario behaves the way it does because it has the confidence and self-assurity to do so. It says nil about its propensity for DA or HA over time or under different circumstances. Im probably looking at this in too much detail for the purposes and intended audience of the test/study, but I dont see how any of the above scenarios read true. Factors which contribute to the test score matter because those factors are the other facets of the dog's psyche. Which together with how the dog receives strangers in a neutral environment, over which it has not developed a sense of ownership (the amicability test exampled above), make the total dog. Time and situation are very important for a dogs responses, becauses so much of their response is instinctive, whereas with humans, so much of how we behave is cultural and etiquette norm. We might have a base personality, but we hide it well - dogs dont. what you see is what you get, but if you're only looking for a friendly face on the day, its all you'll see, because you wont look at what else the dog can tell you. I have difficulty with the human-dog pych attributation of Monash - because I dont believe dogs' 'amicablity' is constant across time and situation. Their base instincts are, but not a multi-faceted end product like amicability.

import or local semen?

what makes a dog 'guard'? No it doesn't because although it reads like a simple common sense answer it fails to take into the why of what motivates a dog to behave in the way it does. imo both of the above scenarios would fail miserably and this is what happens under the presumtion that component factors are irrelevant to the aggregate.

Not for me because before I extrapolate how to quantify something I need to know exactly what it is constituted of, or at least bound by; so what is the definition of amicability, what are its boundaries/parameters? Where does it always exist and under what circumstance?

Hi Erny, Thanks for attending the seminar yesterday I hope you enjoyed the day. It was really good to see so many people there. In regards to my study and the question you asked, I think I may not have answered your question clearly enough when asked yesterday. So I shall try to do so here a bit better. In regards to the point of my research which you say you are having trouble understanding, I am trying to establish whether or not we can accurately measure a particular component of dog behaviour in a scientific (objective, valid, repeatable, realistic, etc. ) manner. We all know that both genetics and environment play a role in how a dog behaves but in my study I am not interested in separating the two components. I just want to see if we can measure the behaviour in an accurate way which will then help develop further assessments which look at other behavioural attributes. Of course, a dog’s experience will affect how it performs in the assessment and this is expected. I may not have clearly described that there are sections of the questionnaires which ask about the dog’s training history, attendance at puppy pre-school, age of acquisition, place of acquisition etc. to try and give us as much information as possible about the dog and it’s ‘environmental’ background. During the data analysis I will be examining these variables to see how they relate to the behaviour observed during the assessment. I suspect this is probably more about what you are talking about and this will be something that I will be discussing in my thesis also. I hope that helps clarify the research for you and please don’t hesitate to let me know if you have further questions about it. Tammie Hi Tammie What is your defintion of 'amicability'? And how will you measure it?

What do you mean, "the drive to run"?

Would it significantly change the way the breed is judged in Australia? ie by placing different emphasis on certain colours, or other physical attributes? Would dogs that are winning/losing now, win/lose under a new breed standard?

I dont think it is in the VIC or NSW journals ... (maybe it will be next month???) I only found out today that the ANKC were going to reamalgamate Anatolian and Kangal back to one breed - the Anatolian - and apparently they already have: the policy was effective from 1st January 2010 - how's that for a surprise neither myself or any other ASD/KD breeders had heard anything about it ... until today when a breeder member from QLD read it in the CCCQ Journal. I thought it might be a print error but it is published in the CCCQ journal and VCA website. 2.3 Kangal Dog and Anatolian Shepherd Dog Delegates resolved that the ANKC try to resolve the situation with the Kangal Dog and the Anatolian Shepherd Dog by sending a letter to all registered Kangal Dog and Anatolian Shepherd Dog owners outlining the following: 6.1 The ANKC resolve to have all Kangal Dogs DNA tested to ascertain if it is a separate breed to the Anatolian Shepherd Dog. If the DNA test shows that the Kangal Dog and the Anatolian Shepherd Dog are the same breed, the ANKC resolve to declare that the Kangal Dog and the Anatolian Shepherd Dog are the same breed. All Kangal Dogs to be re-registered as Anatolian Shepherd Dog and recognised as a single breed (not even as two varieties of the same breed) and treated as a single from 1 January 2010. The standard for the breed, to be the current Anatolian Shepherd Dog standard. 6.2 The two breeds to remain as two [2] separate breeds. Should the DNA test show significant differences between the two breeds, then the ANKC resolve to declare that the Kangal Dog and the Anatolian Shepherd Dog are two [2] separate breeds with no inter breeding between the two breeds. To resolve that a moratorium of five [5] years be declared before this policy can be reconsidered. Kangal breeders are to be advised that failure to respond by 30 June 2010 may result in the Kangal Dog no longer being an ANKC recognised breed.

Can someone tell me which breeds are affected by the new ruling on Pre 1987 KC breed Standards? thankyou L:) 2.8 Pre 1987 Kennel Club (England) Standards With the present political climate and the world wide pressure towards eliminating exaggeration from breed standards it has been unanimously resolved to cancel the current ANKC Policy of allowing breeds to adopt the Pre 1987 Kennel Club (England) Standards and for the ANKC to adopt the current standard from the Kennel Club (England) or from the Country of Origin/Development. For those breeds who originally chose to adopt the Pre 1987 Standard the National Breed Council, Breed Clubs or Owners will be surveyed to choose between the current Kennel Club standard or the Country of Origin/Development standard. http://www.vca.org.au/assets/ankc%20conf_oct09.pdf Breeders of the breeds affected, have you received a survey or any correspondance from your CC about the change?

Its unfortunate Redz that some are more incensed to deliver backlash to a fellow breeder and not support or kind empathy. I hope you and the puppy buyer can decide on a mutually agreeable recourse.

Thanks NM I will send you a PM L:)

Can anyone recommend a vet near Ballarat proficient at ultrasounds for pregnant bitches? Thankyou L:)

All these guys do if flying within Australia is book the flight, have a crate waiting at the airport (if you are hiring a crate) and will pick up from your place for extra money but again pup is put in the crate and that is it. I am not saying they are bad as I always use dogtainers but if you are the one taking the pup to the airport then they never even see the dog in question. Airline staff can not open a crate and give the dogs water. We ourselves have made it like this as a few dogs have escaped when staff have tried to do this. It is getting so airports do not want to take in dogs anymore and I am sure that it will not be long that no dog will be able to fly unless you are on the flight too. I am not saying that what is happening is fine but it is up to us to make sure that any animal is safe and secure not airline staff. Leanne Ahh, see in Melbourne I use Jet Pets and they are pretty much in the extended airport complex; I always drop off the pups at Jet Pets Tullamarine and pups get picked up by the owners at the receiving airport - unless pup/dog is going o/s. Twice now I have had a pup booked, one to Perth last year and last week to New Zealand and on those instances Jet Pets called me to tell me the airconditioning in the cargo was not working and therefore they recommend I send the pup/dog on another flight. Jet Pets check times, interval waiting time and flight conditions for the animals they send. yes lol I like Jet Pets, can't fault them :D I used to use Dogtainers, but for me Jet Pets give a better price and service. nb: Last year when I put one puppy in a crate that was going to have an 11 hour journey, JP told me they would give him water and then remove it just before his flight. I dont know maybe Jet Pets in Melbourne are different to other states :D

Jet Pets, Dogtainers, Pets Express etc are professional service providers that specialise in the transport of animals, dogs, cats. They are paid for their expertise. If it makes you feel alive to pontificate lament and decry woe me if it happens to you, go ahead but the OP is not at fault here.

There's insinuation that the OP can be attributed partly at fault for the death of the puppy and I dont think this is right at all. The OP paid for a service for the puppy to be transported; once handed to the transport company it is thier D.O.C. to ensure the puppy is given adequate care given the conditions on the day. If day flights are so treacherous they should not accept bookings for that time - the onus is on the transport company as the professional serice provider. Flying puppies whether the journey is short or long, day or night - the puppy should have all the care and provisions that a young puppy needs given the environment on the day. Last litter I sent 6 puppies on 6 different flights across Australia, and I certainly would not accept that the puppies flying later in the day were not as well cared for, than the puppies that flew out earlier in the day. Or that the puppy flying from Melbourne, Darwin, Broome would suffer heat stress on his 11 hour journey. I deliver the puppies to the transport company in the morning and I expect and demand that every puppy no matter when or where its destination, is given the professional care that the transport company is paid to ensure. Redz, I am very sorry to read your loss and it must be very difficult for yourself and the puppy owners.