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Hi David, it's Storm - same age as BB Off to the vets now ...

Thankyou - Im hoping heaps too!

Tansy do you know why the bitch did this? Was there any infection or other causes? Did you check her progesterone level?

Sincere thankyou to those who have PMd with their experience maintaining prog levels I wish you the best with your girls

Hi Hazz my girl's prog is 44 @ 5 weeks According to my vet, the prog level "should be well over 100" at this stage. she lost her litter (same sire) before at 6/7 weeks, so I think the process was/is preparing itself to reoccur again. To other sires she has carried pregnancies no problem. She has started on prog supplements, I will find out if they have worked and if the puppies are still there tomorrow. I hope so, they can't have gone too far since Friday!

What is the progesterone level required to maintain pregnancy? How low can progesterone drop before the pregancy / puppies are compromised? Does progesterone drop in all causes (ie infection, congenital defect etc) where the puppies will not make it to term ie is the progesterone dropping necessary to the process of a bitch reabsorbing/aborting her litter for any reason? For those that have monitored low prog levels in a pregnant bitch before, at what week did the progesterone start to decline? How did you supplement progesterone - tablets or injection? thankyou

By being caught, confined, transported and handled by humans the wild bird went through more terror & trauma than had it been left to die in its own environment. PTS humanely doesn't always apply the way we think it does.

I find how much they eat (Anatolians and Central Asians here) depend on individuality - two of my ASD girls are tubbies another is more circumspect about what she eats and when. The dogs eat more over the cooler months and when they are growing (tubbies excluded - they always want to eat more). By far I feed the most to adult male CAo - he eats about double the amount of my adult Anatolian male, though the CAO has a higher proportion of muscle and is a bigger dog, 92kgs cf 66kg. All the dogs are fed on: raw meaty beef bones, beef offcuts, beef marrow bones, lamb flaps, lamb marrow bones, sardines, tuna, eggs, milk. not much chicken as wary of the hormones etc but when they are fed chicken they get chicken frames. but maybe about 2 a month each and only if the meat supply is out of beef. cost per week to feed 7 dogs: about $50 per week. I dont feed supplements, except for apple cider vinegar in their drinking water and occassional calcium for a puppy/youngster.

whether they be a pet or working dog - for pastoral guardian breeds whose life is an outside dog and often in a rural setting - their success is dependent on the breed being viable in the enivironment. What appeals to most homes interested in LGD breeds is their hardy physical constitution and minimal coat care requirements, often it suits a busy outdoor lifestyle. Maybe they have horses to prepare or other pet animals to attend to, they dont want to have to allocate time each day just to have to go through their dog's coat. So pastoral guardian breeds that want a place as pets or working dogs in Australia, need to be suited to outdoor living in Australia. Yes pastoral herding breeds of working heritatge, still test their instincts / drives through other means like agility, tracking, obedience titles etc and are often kept as pets very well in the inner and outersuburbs, and never need to venture into long grass or paddocks but large pastoral LGD breeds (like Spanish Mastiff, Komondor) need to be suitable for the requirements and conditions of the homes they would be marketed to. If looking for a pet dog to join them on their property, and say choosing between Anatolian, Maremma, Pyrenean, Central Asian, Komondor - most are put off by having to go through the Komondor's coat every day searching for burs that work their way up their coat and into the soft skin beneath. (It was thought that the kom's coat woud protect it from the Australian burs, prickles /grass seeds and also offer a level of protection against snake bite but it turned out to be the opposite.) Notwithstanding that breeder dedication and passion for the breed, wont change breed circumstance, that there will always be puppies not suited to suburban homes - so these puppies must be viable in an Australian farm environment. A pastoral guardian / LGD breed cannot have success in Australia if it never finds its way into suitable pet/working homes, because those homes always choose another breed of similar temperament traits and suitablity, but with a lot less coat maintenance. If something gets stuck in the Koms coat and you have to cut it out, it takes years to grow back so there goes the possibiility of showing. Most maremmas, anatolians, central asians can be show dog or rural family pet with ease. A kom running through a muddy dam would be a disaster; you just couldn't let them out if you wanted to show the dog or keep them in full coat (a physical trait of the breed that is the appeal factor). Most owners of LGD breeds are on at least an acre, and often with other animals etc so to have to wrap up one of your dogs in cotton wool just to show it, or keep it as a family/property companion/guardian is not going to appeal to many. Its not so much about having dogs that work or dont work, but whether a breed can be the dog it is meant to be and admired for being

As others have said please take the puppy to the vet asap as it is dying unless its course is reversed. Good luck

Anatolian puppies moving to April Pregnancy confirmed via u/s - the import semen worked puppies are due April 1st ;)

We have pregnancy confirmed for the Anatolian import semen but need to change threads ;) as due date is April 1st . Best of luck March mums!

Mum to be looks beautiful Hannah

The AKC do not recognise all breeds ie Leonberger and Central Asian and some USA breeders prefer the UKC as a register for studbook / working reasons. Cats are FSS registered with the AKC; so are considered a breed in development for registration purposes. Leonbergers and Central Asians are also FSS registered with the AKC. http://www.akc.org/breeds/fss_breeds.cfm

Do you have the link to the facebook page? This needs to be reported to facebook and this person needs to know that in no uncertain terms what he has said is a crime and chargable by law! Cats in Australia are a very hardline working breed - perhaps the breeder only had a minimum number of homes or maybe there were birth defect issues, culling puppies on welfare grounds is not an offence.

The breeders who imported the Komondor I suppose slowly fazed them out / stopped breeding but it was a cumulative effect over time rather than a clear decision - there just was no other breeding options ... and when a new male and female pair were imported all the previous komondors had been desexed in pet homes. Also the coat needed extra care and for what should be an outside hardy breed, the good ol Australia 'bur' wreaked havoc with the Kom's coat. imo a breed like the kom needs to be successful on Australian farms if it is to maintain a viable gene pool to draw from, the koms coat prevented this. We were going to have a litter of koms last year but the coat issue was something I could not get past I think probably the SM and PM mastiff need to differentiate themselves more. lol maybe they have and Im just an ignoramus The TM has been in Australia for a lot longer than either the SM or PM, they have a breed profile that extends well beyond their ownership. Before potential homes can seek out a breed, they have to know the breed exists and what it does, better/worse than other comparable breeds nb: I can't meaningfully comment on whether the PM or SM will flourish as breeds in Australia, as I don't know the nuances of either breed well enough.

Some rare breeds are just not for the main populace. Although they may be nice to look at etc they could have temperament / breed quirks that discount them from the 'average home'. From a pastoral breed's perspective, I think new breeds need a working backbone, they have to be viable in the Australian environment. An example of an imported rare breed that was not viable, is the komondor. It *may* be imported again for pet followers, but it will never fulfill its rightful role as stock guardian in Australia, as its coat is not compatible with the Australian environment. It also depends on how you define 'fade into the background', being popular or broadly accepted is not necessarily a good thing. A breed doesn't need a huge following to surivive and thrive; it needs good breeders, good homes and a specialised purpose. If a breed has a working background / specialised purpose there will always be homes for the puppies. I dont equate 'breed success' with 'breed popularity'

NOT while you are sorting out the pup's behaviour growling at humans http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=190250 and not until your son gets better at handling the pup.

Where do you get your information from? It very well did matter that ther slaves were brought back ALIVE. A dead slave was no good to anyone. This does not only apply to Brazil or the Fila for that matter, it applies to a few countries and a few other breeds. I can see how a pup may be rejected because it fails, at 12 weeks, to show an acceptable degree of hostility toward strangers reads hysterical and why one might get hung up on an interpretation like that - but most good guard dogs would want to display some sense of terrirory or guarding propensity at 12 weeks old. its nothing controversial. That applies to ANY breed pup intended as a true guardian dog. And guarding propensity has NOTHING to do with that individual puppy's inclination towards its human handlers / family. Actually fwiw, a guardian breed puppy that demostrates a strong propensity to guard at 12 weeks is showing 'gameness' for its intended role. therein lies the problem!!!! eta: sandgrubber if you'd like to find out more about the fila maybe contact some breeders and ask them about their dogs? Basin Fila in colorado USA are very good http://www.basinfila.com/ also AIM kennel as Basin offline atm http://www.aimkennel.com/ From the FCI Fila breed standard - Courage, determination and outstanding braveness are part of his characteristics. He is docile to his owners and family and extremely tolerant with children. His faithfulness became a Brazilian proverb (Faithful as a Fila). He is always looking for the company of his master. One of his characteristics is his distrust (ojeriza) of strangers. He shows a calm disposition, self assurance and self confidence, not being disturbed by strange noises or when facing a new environment. An unsurpassed guardian of the property, he is as well dedicated by instinct to the hunt of big game and to cattle herding. what a magnificent sounding dog! Wish they could be imported back to Australia again!

I dont think they do either. Dogs can fight from fear, sexual drive respsonse / survial mode or as part of the definition of 'what is' about that dog/breed/job description. The 'gameness' or nerve of a dog to hold its position and not waive from its intent, is intrinsic. Some dogs are born with it, some aren't. dogs dont fight out of aggression That makes no sense. Aggression is an end-product

Are Labs easy to train? Do they offer no challenge to their owner? Or is it, that once trained / matured / raised, they are biddable to their owner, family? where biddable = to do what is asked and when; obedient, tractable.

Actually, I think you could possibly use 'game' with Labradors. They are also bred to be retrieve fallen game in cold water, adverse weather conditions and to go through brush and uncomfortable terrain to get it. That tenacious determination to retrieve could be called 'game'. That is what I am referring to Kavik. Some dogs retrieve, some herd, some kill. Game is about the solid nerve of the dog that allows it to go into that drive without fear. Factors in the environment will put some dogs off, but the gamest dogs are less affected by those environmental factors. A guide dog would have to be game (by my definition of game) to cope with all the challenges. Of course these dogs are highly trained, so the behaviour they display isn't going to be the type of raw prey drive you see in a ball-obsessed pet lab. Great definition Greytmate, encompasses all dogs without getting into suburban legend cliche kavik I would not have thought of that extrapolation! but tis true!

Bcz you know Im going to ask :rolleyes: Which breed Nekhbet? Why was the close breeding too much?

I just wanted to know if the science / study could be located; had a name, jist etc

Hi Cr Andrew Antoniolli Are you able to reference the scientific study council bases its stratefy on wrt desexed dogs being less aggressive and roaming less. Thankyou I don't think any responsible, informed breeder would argue with him on this point. Unneutered dogs, if unsecured, will wander in search of a mate. And if they encounter any competition in the process (ie another unneutered dog) they will fight for the 'right' to mate with a bitch that is in season. That's great but I'm interested in the science. Neutered dogs, if unsecured, will wander. Neutered dogs will fight. I know in season bitches that will fight males desexed, and entire and I know neutered dogs that will fight not to mention entire dogs that wont fight AND will stay home So yes I'd like the facts maam not creative writing. I do not possess in my hands the 'science' however, it is certainly well recognised by all leading practitioners and welfare aganecies that this is fact. It refers to tendancies rather than the prospect that 'all' entire dogs will roam and fight. Desexing reduces the want to roam and most aggression. There are leading practitioners and professionals who will just as readily dispute that claim. I asked about the 'science' because you said that Council had a strategy in place that was based on Science. I dont think its unreasonable to then be asked what that science is. It wasn't a lead in to criticise Ipswich Council; Ipswich is so far away, Councils in QLD and VIC, who can compare. But now studies on dogs in Australian pounds are another thing altogether. Because depending on your poiint of view and experience, 'sound knowledge and reasoning' can be no more than common misnomer. I know that. My question referred to the science that you said Council's strategies were based upon. I find scientific studies on the tendencies, history, correllations (thankyou TSD ) of pound dogs interesting. particularly wrt legistlation. Studies of an Australian perspective are not that common, so I thought perhaps you might know about the study that you mentioned. But no biggy. Cr are we not on the internet?