BJean

The one and only dog that we have that gives us goat and sheep milk … Çoban Köpeğimiz (our shepherd dog) This is the ultimate 'breed standard' for Turkish Shepherd dogs and is from the earliest published account of the dogs. Nothing to do with colour, or a standardized breed type, only the fulfillment of its duty as Turkey's protector and provider. You will not find this in the show ring. It can not be measured by a judge's hand.

Perhaps. But Troy has no means to measure or verify LGD work. I will see what happens RJ :)

It is the emphasis that is the problem. It implies that showing actually means something significant wrt breed evaluation; and worse, it begets a new generation of breeders who feel they need to compete in terms of show results. In turn it means breeders choose dogs to keep based on what will show. This is not good for ASD and CAS.

Furthermore Troy, some of our best dogs representing ASD and CAS in Australia are banned from ANKC exhibition or registration on account of ears cropped or country of origin. The best breeding stock is often on the farm. Show awards, Aus champion is not the yardstick this new format would make it out to be. First its the councils, State CCs and now Dogzonline also. I will not have the show mentality skew my breeds. Nor will I be part of an all breed platform that narrows the outlook of new ASD and CAS breeders and owners.

ANKC Conformation Shows have no real meaning to ASD and CAS. It says zero about the dog other than it was amenable enough and of extroverted temperament to compete in all breeds. The day the ASD and CAS breeder ads read like the Tibetan mastiff ie all based on show results which show zero about traditional working temperament which is the basis of utilitarian breeds, is a day of regression for my breeds. Not happy Troy. NB: No offence to showies or breeds whereby show results are the cornerstone of their breed evaluation. But ANKC Show awards have historically had very little correlation to what is assessed as breeding stock or necessary in the ASD and CAS. And nor will it benefit ASD and CAS for this to change.

From my behavioural genetics textbook "Hybrid Vigour or Heterosis is the increase in viability and performance when different inbred strains are crossed." When was the book published, and how much credence does the author have? :) Probably more than wikipedia. You'd hope so for a text. But you never know.

From my behavioural genetics textbook "Hybrid Vigour or Heterosis is the increase in viability and performance when different inbred strains are crossed." When was the book published, and how much credence does the author have? :)

How distressing. Prayers to St. Francis that their babies remain safe and come home soon.

I guess that's because the owner also believes common hype that hips are a genetic problem and not an environmental problem foremost. It's difficult for vets to give objective information also, so much of veterinary advice is based on veterinary products supplied by veterinary big business. Its fascinating to be back at university and amongst the next generation of veterinary hopefuls. So earnest and for the most part so very green and not much practical idea. Most puppy homes should start looking at themselves, what they feed their dog, the weight of their dog, and the lifestyle of their dog. Breeders also need to look at the dog they breed and the home they are sending their puppies.

You are being very judgmental. Making yourself feel better may impact the life of another person and their dog, of which you have nothing to do with - other than you dont like the owner taking their dog to the supermarket because the town is retrograde compared to your own. Leave other people and their dogs be. The dog is in the shade and has water, and is a regular at the shopping center. Please dont cause happy people problems simply because you would not do as they are doing.

Speaking of comprehension, maybe you should reread the o.p. The bit about how he/she would like to breed as a hobby seems pretty straight forward. But more especially how he/she would like to hear people thoughts on it is interesting. Now, if there was a rider only positive opinions allowed I would be out of line. As it is, i'm right on the money. Live with it. I agree the OP smacks of bs ... now whether you are right on the money ... I dunno cruzzi. Not many 'beginner' posts are styled like the OPs. (Interesting choice of language ... and most owners reference their breed, not 'dogs'.) But I dont think its about blues, my money's on something else. :D

Aren't you? Your OP does not read genuine. I hope you have accrued enough information for your purposes.

okay then don't breed.

woops my bad but it doesn't negate the breed signature problem :)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151407564667528&set=a.10150099824267528.289860.510822527&type=1&theater Anatolian Kangal and BC missing from Wodonga. Most likely the dogs have escaped and will be picked up by a ranger if not already. Thankyou

Hmm I just checked the website. It looks like Advance bought this DNA identification test from USA. No Australian Anatolians were used in the test development, therefore the Advance DNA test is void for all ASD and ASD mixed breed dogs in Australia. Big sham from Advance. Animal Network (Genetic technologies) developed their Breed DNA test test from Australian dogs, therefore their test would be more likely to provide helpful input on Zeke's background. http://www.gtglabs.com/bitsa/faq.php?fid=5 Sorry CTRW Advance does not detect Kelpie. What kind of AUSTRALIAN mixed breed test can't identify Kelpie! http://www.advancepet.com.au/dna/breeds-detected.aspx

You should DNA test Maya! Be fun to see what they say :)

...Yes. Which means...? Consider the possibility that if you want bedlingtons to be treated differently to ceskies you might have to do a teeny bit of leg work and encourage those in rarer breeds to participate in scientific studies. We can only do so much ourselves. The more support we get the better our data and the less angsting about under-represented portions of the dog population. They are under-represented because it's hard to find them. You people in the breeds and breed groups themselves have better contacts than we do. Scientific studies. :) being rare is good. It keeps you underneath the radar and away from standardised generalisations and out of the scope of theorists. Bedlingtons: run fast.

:)

Thanks for the learned advice Christina.

You will find that the UK Kennel Club's newest pure breed of dog, the 'Turkish Kangal' has colour as its priority. (English Kangal breeders are not au fait with basic colour genetics I guess) UK Anatolian Breed Standard UK Kangal Breed Standard The UK Kennel Club will also re-register some black masked Anatolians as UK Kangals

Wish those people would leave their reasons in writing! :) Most of the time its not much more than personal preference of the founders. People select animals which are the ones they think look the best just as they select coat type and size etc When a breed is in development as soon as its determined that there will be a breed developed by one person or a small group of people a preliminary breed standard is put in place and often different colours are not even seen until more dogs enter the gene pool with open stud books. Its almost impossible to have a breed developed with out a plan or recipe for whats in the mix and what should be left out of the pot during selection. Then of course as the breed develops and other things turn up you will possibly have some people who want it others who don't and there then starts internal brawls and splits so the founders write in which colours will be faults. When it gets to an application for breed recognition a finalised breed standard is tendered and its basically about who has stuck it out and who gets in first. When the breed develops this way there isnt any science to it or any real reason why a colour isnt included. When you see a situation where some colours were accepted and now they arent its just as likely to be about politics as anything else but may be because certain colours have shown to cause or are accused of showing genetic issues. Of course it may also be a combination of politics and a question over health issues. There is no doubt about it that decisions on what can be placed on the main register or what cannot be placed on any register is in the main about politics. In my opinion the decision to not allow any white boxer to ever be registered on any register in Australia was 100% about politics. Even if they wrote what their reasons were many would make little sense because they werent logical to begin with. Absolutely. Another example is some Usa / Uk / Australian breeders' understanding of Kangal. I'm not able to go into it because I find their scope astoundingly stupid and therefore (& evidently) it is impossible for me to write about it in a warm fuzzy way.

This is incorrect. Recessive genes wrt canine coat colour are often the more primitive. If these recessive traits were less hardy they would have been selected against. Agouti: wild type sable in all its variations through to black tan pattern and recessive black are the coat colour of most wild dog populations and wolves. This follows for morphology as well. orbital angle and stop. Flat skulls and minimal stop are 'more hardier' but they are the first traits to go in outcrossing. Dominant traits are more often the traits which have been selected for and 'fixed' by the human hand.

Probably none :) The english preferred a lighter whiter brighter dog? 'pure bred' often means 'breeding true' which results in dominant colours or bottom recessive colour patterns becoming fixed in some dog populations.