BJean

They do, who says? Roger Abrantes, off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find more if I looked. If this wasn't the case, we wouldn't even be able to have dog parks. And I sure as hell would never take my dogs to them if there were even a 50% chance that fights would result in injury. Kivi's good at keeping out of trouble, but Erik not so much. He's good at asking a bit too nicely for a dog to leave him alone and then exploding after the dog ignores him for about the fourth time. So a dog that wrestles and doesnt draw blood is acceptable? Of course much of this depends on how you define 'injury'.

A non-contact, noisy blue? This wasn't a, "I'm gonna pin you down and show you whos boss!", lots of noise but no contact sort of fight. This was serious

what warrants a vet visit often depends on how much the owner is worried. They do, who says?

Even if you were allowed to shoot them - how long do you think you would be allowed to remain on the owner's property if you did? Best to move your sheep

Then you have no right to shoot them. And I'm surprised that you would discuss it with a ranger before the owner. Or maybe you have and the owner of the property and the dogs, feels its their property so they can do what they like (and legally they can). How long have you agisted sheep at this property?

You need permission from the owner of the property. But they may not be prepared to grant it (I would not) as the owner is then liable for potential liabilities that can ensue ie: human error, accident, misfire etc

You would report the staffy because it attacks other dogs who are trying to avoid a fight. It is a dangerous dog, and after an incident like this, the dog should be kept under the type of control that a DD declaration enforces. Does it? The husky growled first. If the husky hadn't growled the staffy would not have attacked. Dogs will be dogs and if you let them run around offlead in a high octane environment then to say growls are okay but aggression should not go any further forgets that they are dogs.

I love all the pompous assumtpion in this post, it's great Some breeders use a common term for their breed, so they can reach out to homes who may only know their breed by the common term. I like to think I have half an idea about a few things dog, and I call English Staffys and American Staffys by their full inappropriate name. I also refer to my breeds by different names depending on who I am talking to. As an advocate and sporadic advertiser for my breeds, outsiders will determine whether I'm a "trusted, educated, registered breeder" - not by the breed name I use - but by the knowledge and enthusiasm I share.

No it's not true and wayward pound staff should be put back into line. They cause a lot of grief when all they are is a community service holding facility. A pound staffer told me that to retrieve my impounded dog already microchipped into my name I had to bring a photo of myself with the dog to proove it was mine. Of course I did not. But it just goes to show what some of these fruitcakes can come up with.

I take you have no animals and thus no use for veterinary surgeries.

I've actually tried to engage a service for one of my girls when I was o/s your friend might find that their business idea will be limited to small breeds or types of dogs because ultimately a small breed bitch is easier to handle wrt any post-whelping management issues such as a large breed bitch that wont let the whelping professional near her or the puppies. You'd have to probably limit the service to breeds of dogs that you were familiar with and confident interacting with etc

Yes. Sounds familiar. Technically they think they can spay because the owner has been found, and under the pound ethos (often staffed by zealots on this issue) if the dogs are going home tomorrow, then the dogs have to be desexed before tomorrow / going home. Tell her to go to her local Police Station and make a report that her property is being damaged. She may needs legal support / representation on hand also.

Really, define registered breeder? And what about the notion that pounds are there to also return lost dogs back to their owners? Actually be effected by this ideology spurned policy and then see how practical it is in effect.

Then don't post on a thread where someone is clearly upset by quite a traumatizing experience. Take your "data collection" elsewhere. Why welcome to the neighbourhood missy. It's never productive to push on a forum, people tend to shove right back. Besides it clogs discussion and makes for boring reading; it's really not necessary.

Granted I can acknowledge that. There is a difference between insensitive and an aimed kick. We are getting OT, but my perception of whether my dog is lovable is different and doesn't depend on such things. Of course it depends on what you're used to as in all things.

? You see, you have provided data answered as to why you killed the second dog after it killed the first. A person's ethos on what dogs they house and why is individual, which is why others may find it interesting in comparison and so learn about a different perspective.

You think that's a kick? It's a question about a situation the OP put to a forum. I'm interested to know if Jazzy changed or the OP's perception of Jazzy changed. My friend is removing a 10 month female because it almost killed an older dog - eventhough my friend knew the bitch's genetic potential / predisposition from the outset. These scenarios and the ruminations of the dog's owners interest me. What you call a kick I call data collection. That may be so but using emotive words like "kill" is NOT necessary It really wasn't meant to be an emotive piece.

You think that's a kick? It's a question about a situation the OP put to a forum. I'm interested to know if Jazzy changed or the OP's perception of Jazzy changed. My friend is removing a 10 month female because it almost killed an older dog - eventhough my friend knew the bitch's genetic potential / predisposition from the outset. These scenarios and the ruminations of the dog's owners interest me. What you call a kick I call data collection.

Thank you PF. I am fed up with people putting unrealistic expectations on dogs. They are DOGS! Dogs are ANIMALS! They are not stuffed toys that do not react to instinct. And they WILL KILL small animals. if the opportunity presents. PF & Souff

Absolutely nothing different at all. Jazz was DA with other dogs but not ours. We called her a cranky old bitch because she would grumble at all of our dogs occasionally but would never go looking to start anything. She would occasionally snap at Acheron (1yr old Dobe - entire male) but he just ignored her or kept annoying her because he thought it was a game. Odie was the last dog of ours that would annoy her in any way. He pretty much ignored her most of the time because she wouldn't play with him. It is awful when your own dogs fight, this I know and when you make a mistake and it ends in shock and disaster. I am sorry for your loss of Odie. But I do not understand why you killed Jazz.

Health incidences: entropion, skin allergies, cruciate ligament, bloat The most important question puppy buyers should ask the breeder is the breeder's knowledge of the breed and their understanding of the lineage of the dogs they are breeding. Breeders should know the temperament traits of the sire and dam and related dogs; they should also have an understanding of the dogs both in the Australian context and in their native environments / traditional countries of origin. Unless a first time breeder has the support of another longer time breeder, I would be wary of buying a puppy from breeders with little knowledge of the breed and its history and temperament. New owners will need the support and knowledge of their breeder as they learn about their dog and the breed. Central Asians are magnificent dogs but they are unlike many dogs in Australia, and they are not the type of dog that should be bought and owned based on their looks alone, or with little research. The biggest hurdle or most common 'problem' new owners face with Central Asians in Australia is not health issues but managing the Central Asian temperament. It's not the temperament of the Central Asian that is the problem, but people's expectation and understanding of it.

A well trained Central Asian is calm around children and the infirm, however the main carer of a Central Asian needs to be able to take control their dog in all situations and due to the size and power and potentially reactive temperament of the CAO, young children and the infirm are not suitable to be main carers or to walk CAOs in public areas. Owners of CAOs need to remember their dog's capabilities and to afford other members of the public that are not aware of CAOs and to take necessary precautions. Because Central Asians look similar to known 'gentle giant' breeds like Newfoundlands and St. Bernards it is common for members of the public to want to walk up to them and hug them. This is potentially disasterous for some CAOs. So vigilance by the CAOs handler is always needed when out in public. The CAO is not a boisterous dog but it is a powerful reactive dog, whose default response is 'active defence'. If an owner wants a large watch dog, or a dog that will growl and bark in warning but do no more, then the Central Asian is not the breed for them. Even the most calm, seemingly innocuous Central Asian, will react like a Central Asian if the dog deems a situation to require a physical response.

Solo dogs of this breed can occupy themselves for long periods, but this should not be mistaken with "solo dogs of this breed can be left on their own in a suburban backyard." Solo dogs of this breed can be left on their own for long periods IF they are preoccupied with doing a job and have 'pack' company from another species. ie: a solo dog and a flock of sheep, or a solo dog with a couple of horses with which the dog has formed an association with. This is always in an open expanse of land situation and is not comparable to a suburban block surrounded by paling fencing. Very minimal. You can get by brushing a Central Asian once every few weeks. Or during their twice a year shed. HOWEVER once again this is not applicable to a suburban environment, where the dog has less space to move and less dirt holes to dig and roll around in. A Central Asian in a farm situation will exercise and play fight, continually moving the muscles beneath the skin keeping it healthy. A Central Asian in a suburban siutation will need more grooming to compensate for the lack of movement and interaction that they would normally receive in a more open environment.

The DNA test will not help you with knowing anything for certain. Most likely all it will do is throw another breed into the mix and increase your uncertainty.