BJean

yes it's called democracy. You know where the citizens of a country agree to abide by a set of systems and regulations, buy their own land and then act accordingly. Who cares what you want. You want something different for the land in Ballan? - Next time a big piece of land goes up for sale, buy it for yourself. And be happy when you make your bank repayments that you prevented a puppy farm from being established.

Because there is no other kind. But thank you for your interest. No need to thank. I'm always fascinated by unfounded hysterics.

I believe if you look at population growth in the last decade Vs the number of dogs in shelters you would see that your hysterical assertions are false.

I believe you learn more about the breed each time you breed - if your inclined to learn that is

It's tragically true so I should not find it funny.

3. How common is it in Australia? The Anatolian is not common in Australia, although it is generally well known or 'heard of'. The Anatolian also goes by the name of "Turkish Karabash", "Anatolian Karabash" and "Kangal". As the Anatolian is primarily a dog suited to open space, most homes are in a farming or rural area. Anatolians can be found in suburban areas, although this is less common. 4. What is the average lifespan? The average lifespan is anywhere from 11yo - 17yo. Much depends on lineage and environmental factors.

I dont understand what you want. The Ballan applicant is building everything per standards and to the Government regulations. And they have 50 cages. So what. How do you know it is a horrific puppy farm?

Hey steve what happened with your tiny maremma? I have a tiny anatolian. Smallest pup I have ever seen and the lightest birth weight. But vigorous and strong; compact size :D . I have named her Mimi She is now about 15 weeks old and still smaller than she should be but she has grown into a beautiful girl. She goes to her new home on Thursday where she will live on a property with Dorper sheep and a whole heap of other animals as she has here. Thanks Steve, That is what I am hoping for Mimi

By breeding you are helping the welfare of your breed, by providing information to the public and preventing potential rescue / welfare situations in the first place. I dont know what else a good breeder can or should do, other than ensure the future of their chosen breed(s).

New President of Dogs Vic????

Hey, what? I dont get what you mean. Shit a brick last time I spend two hours looking stuff up for someone. lol

What month are you looking at going? Go to the Air China website and click on one way, depart SYD arrive SHANGHAI direct flight. yes you can. When are you planning on going? If it in sync with one of mine, I can help you with the bits and pieces. Just send me a PM or email and we can go from there. Nothing can happen dodgey from the Australian end as AQIS oversee anything that leaves Australia anyway. There is actually very little the transport companies do ex Australia, apart from act as a go between for AQIS and the exporter. So dont worry about leaving Australia, that never is a problem.

No it's not hearsay and it's not guessing Jet Pets, Dogtainers and their Oz staff don't know and do not have the access of a local agent. China is one of the countries where the Australian way is a hindrance not a help. Go local, stick with the can-do know how Yes they do. JetPets have an affiliate agency in China that they deal with for dogs travelling into China. I have dealt with JetPets a lot and they deal with their Chinese contacts a lot. It's easier and safer to get a company like JetPets to arrange the travel from here. Do you have a actual contact you could name for me so that I can speak to them directly? No they will speak to their contact in China, but you will pay Aust. Dogtainers/Jet Pets for the privilege. And because you are going the Australian way, everything will take longer and be more bureaucratic. Probably you will fill more forms in also. Seriously just contact someone in Shanghai. Do you have any names / contacts for agents in China?

No it's not hearsay and it's not guessing Jet Pets, Dogtainers and their Oz staff don't know and do not have the access of a local agent. China is one of the countries where the Australian way is a hindrance not a help. Go local, stick with the can-do know how Yes they do. JetPets have an affiliate agency in China that they deal with for dogs travelling into China. I have dealt with JetPets a lot and they deal with their Chinese contacts a lot. It's easier and safer to get a company like JetPets to arrange the travel from here. Its not the same as the local person. Dogtainers, JetPets cant do here what local agents can do. from paperwork to what is approved and what is not, to time frames the list goes on and on. I've taken dogs into a few 'not so usual' countries and Australian companies just dont know the nuances. You cannot tell me another way. The Australian culture is not honed to can-do practical know how. As I said sometimes being Australian is a hindrance to getting things done. You got to think outside the square in some places. Which means forget the Australian mindset. Of course you can go with the Australian companies but you will get a better outcome through the locals. And it will be done quicker. Australian companies will cover all your Rules & Regs as that is all they know how to do.

No it's not hearsay and it's not guessing Jet Pets, Dogtainers and their Oz staff don't know and do not have the access of a local agent. China is one of the countries where the Australian way is a hindrance not a help. Go local, stick with the can-do know how

eh these are all really vague questions In short, demonstrate that you are genuine in your interest in genetics and the lineage of your chosen breed and you will find a breeder to help you.

I'd like to know the facts on this one

Central Asians aren't easy to import ... but 11,000 is a pretty good price! ETA: Actually if the dog is now in Britain, $11,000 is way too expensive! wtf are they flying him, Business Class?

Being up to date with the rules and regulations is one thing but knowing the people on the ground is another - that the Australian pet transport staff just cant match. For some countries, most common destinations, this doesn't matter; but for other countries it does. I'll put China in the latter category. In this category if you are going to go with an agent, you are better going through a local agent.

Its a bit hard to relax when I keep getting told a lot of horrible things. Trying to though! We haven't yet got a proper agent in China, looking for one that comes recommended. Seems so far they have thought mum looked like a easy target to get some extra cash and shes been quoted a lot of bullshit. So looking for a company this end who has actually dealt with someone that end. I don't know anything about a import permit? Just been told that the pet relocation company will waive the need for a residence visa apparently. I think the airline is Qantas as they're the only one with direct flights to shanghai, everyone else you have to go through hongkong. Thats the other issue, the flights arrive fairly late and we've been told that if you arrive past a certain time, the quarantine guys have all gone home so the dog gets stuck in the crate with baggage for another 10 hours or something because you aren't allowed to bring them out without quarantine and customs dealing with it. and my parents have a house there, so no hotel. So they say someone from my dads company will be dealing with my visa and everything. Not sure if they'll be helping me clear customs. Yeah, all very confusing! Air China will fly you direct from Sydney to Shanghai. They will allow pets to fly as checked baggage. (ie: your dog will travel as freight in the cargo hold but you pay the excess baggage fee.) http://www.airchina.com.au/en/customerservice/FAQ/baggage.html If you were going to use a transport company, I'd use one based in China. http://scaashanghai.org/china_pet_import_procedure.shtml They will know all the know-how, loop holes and realities that an Australian company (or AQIS) just wont know. Australian transport companies, are good for common destinations /situations but anything off the beaten track, you are better off arranging it yourself - or through a company based in the place you need to get to/from. This is not a swipe at Australian Pet transport companies, its a fact that can be applied to all service industries and their predominant sectors.

What is the point of this post exactly? To try and freak me out? Rover is going to China, I don't have a choice as he is not my dog! Saying things like hes going to die or get eaten are just horrible. They do NOT eat dogs in Shanghai, I cannot say anything for some of the rural villages, but it is not common practice to eat dogs in China. There are a lot of pet dogs in Shanghai, parents have been there about 3 months and seen many dogs. Its becoming more popular as time goes by. Mum is going to be joining a upcoming pets as therapy group that has started there. And Yes that's correct regarding the quarantine, 6 months in a approved country before then coming back here for further quarantine. But like I said, they won't be bring him back as they are not returning. I'm travelling with him. Thanks for the link! Will add it to the information I have sent across already. LMS, relax I went to China this April as part of a dog mission and what is for sure is 1) Speak to your contact in China - it doesn't matter what Australian anything say, China runs things their way. 2) Your Chinese friends in Australia are your local Chinese embassy/Consulate. You dont need a visa for your dog but you will need an import permit. 3) Choose an Airline that will let you fly your dog as freight - at the excess baggage rate. 4) Which Airline are you flying? 5) If you're staying at a high-end hotel, they will help also. Meet you when you get off the plane and take you through customs. No problem

Kangal matriarch, 17yo

woops, wrong thread

Dont remember that But I haven't been around for that long... She seems more like a purely positivie trainer to me... She was very against prongs even then, referring to them as torture collars and such. There were a number of threads about the DOLers dog, and the trainer was misrepresented somewhat by them, but the techniques I mentioned above were not denied as I recall. She had a business called Clever Paws and was quite young, as she looks in the picture, would not respond when queried on her qualifications IIRC. ooh Clever Paws is owned by Melissa Bruce in QLD - are these the same people Haven? http://www.cleverpaws.com.au/Meet%20Melissa.html