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As it was not me you spoke to, it must have been the other person mentioned in the OP. Having been there for, and participating the discussions on this matter, advising on the obligations of FCI membership, voting in favour of the motion and finally physically amending the regulations, I can assure you that the amendments ARE NOT limited to prefix/suffix only. Graham Well this might just keep Anatolians on the ANKC register after all ... I have sent you a PM. I hope this is okay. Thank you.

YES YES YES !!!!! That is just what it means Tracy !! and I have just such a pup here now with brand new papers Linda No I don't think the new wording allows for dogs with incomplete pedigrees. It allows for dogs with no prefix/suffix only. All imported dogs still need complete pedigrees (3 generations). That is right, but if you write and get facts on WHY and provide relevant breed info and kennel club country of origin info in a letter like I did, who knows, but you have to request these under specail circumstances. I had a lot of help from the Mexican KC and breeders world wide. It is not always so simple

YES YES YES !!!!! That is just what it means Tracy !! and I have just such a pup here now with brand new papers Linda No I don't think the new wording allows for dogs with incomplete pedigrees. It allows for dogs with no prefix/suffix only. All imported dogs still need complete pedigrees (3 generations). If the dog is being imported has export papers issued by a recognised controlling body then the ANKC's associate membership of the FCI means that pedigree must be accepted. The only exception to this, is if both parents are not of the same breed. The previous ANKC regulation which imposed additional requirements on the imports pedigree, has been removed to ensure we comply with the FCI statues as required by our FCI membership. Graham It was explained to me, by one of the persons mentioned in the OP that the new ruling is limited to prefix/sufix only. I have an AKC registered dog but as some of the dogs in the AKC dog's pedigree are non-AKC dogs, the pedigree is not accepted. (There are no UKC dogs in the pedigree). I also have an FCI dog. The pedigree is not accepted by the ANKC as the pedigree is not complete on the maternal grandsire. Eventhough it is accepted by LOF/FCI. NB: The saluki 'desert bred' scenario was given as an example of what would NOT be accepted.

Yes I think so. Let the experts and the righteous sort it out. Underneath the radar has been underestimated

You're Australians. So if you word it right I'm sure you can get some kind of ban put in place. Isn't it?

YES YES YES !!!!! That is just what it means Tracy !! and I have just such a pup here now with brand new papers Linda No I don't think the new wording allows for dogs with incomplete pedigrees. It allows for dogs with no prefix/suffix only. All imported dogs still need complete pedigrees (3 generations).

They can eat the whole thing - including the leg. One of my dogs brought home a cow leg - I had a coronary but then realised one of the neighbours must have slaughtered some cattle and a leg or two fell off the truck. In any case, my dogs retrieved it and then ate it. yew! but I guess they thought it was yummy :D

cryogenes are organising a group shipment but I do not know the current status ie: if it has left Australia/Poland yet.

This is incorrect. It certainly is a realistic and commonplace expectation for stock guardian dogs to live amongst other animals like cats and birds. It is not an unrealistic expectation to have a dog that runs freely around chickens - no more unrealistic than an expectation to have an affable family dog or upstanding guardian dog. In all the scenarios the dog's instinct is being utilised. Kazza you can send me an email or private message about your dog.

I do not know the dog's parentage. I also don't know of any Australian CAS that are not good with chickens. I know some Australian Anatolians that are not good with chickens ... but generally the slavic oafs have been pretty good with birds to date.

Kazza, your breeder may have had similar issues so they will be the best person to speak to.

Not so late for mine, my dogs are usually fed morning and night, night is usually between 9pm and 11pm I am quite convinced, more than anything else, that a dog must have a genetic predisposition to bloat for GDV to occur. Once there is genetic predisposition, then instigating factors like diet, immune, and environmental conditions come into play. Very true Lilli....my girls were mother & daughter. They bloated at 9yrs then daughter at 9yrs & 11yrs. The gastropexy saved the daughter the second time around, the stomach was unable to twist. Vets I have spoken to say age is also a factor in the predisposed breeds. My current bitch will have a gastropexy when she is speyed next year. I think it is best to look at it from a lineage perspective. For example, I can say Anatolians in Australia are not prone to bloat, but what I am really saying is that the current lineages of Anatolians in Australia are not prone to bloat. imo the problem is that bloat is attributed to general breeds, and so people think its a 'deep chested' problem, when really most dogs are deep chested by proportion anyway. It is because most dogs in Australia are not pedigree, that familial link is not more often attributed.

If Mosley is an Anatolian (and I think he is from memory ) then I doubt he will suffer from bloat The genetic predisposition for bloat in Australian Anatolians in extremely low. I have not heard of an Anatolian dying or suffering from bloat in Australia for many years. There is no known incidence between myself and other breeders in more than a decade.

I am hoping if I roll a different genetic dice, I will get a different outcome. Different may not be better, but I can live with the hope of different

Thank you, done!

I worry it will be a matter of time though He is such a doofas. I'm glad my big bear is okay, but you know I believe it should not be this way. Wont rave on about it now though

Not so late for mine, my dogs are usually fed morning and night, night is usually between 9pm and 11pm I am quite convinced, more than anything else, that a dog must have a genetic predisposition to bloat for GDV to occur. Once there is genetic predisposition, then instigating factors like diet, immune, and environmental conditions come into play.

Yes Vehs, never before had a fart been so welcome No emergency surgery this time But dry food: forever off the menu even when there is nothing else.

Stone, lilli is familiar with bloat and the cause/consequences I think she is asking specifically about the charcoal and flatulence for her own reason Yes, thanks MBS. His stomach was really big and he had that I'm a big black cow look, but I noticed he had flatulence when I brought him inside. The most likely scenario was that he had been bloating all night, and then started to pass some of it himself ... (last time of feeding was 1am) Brasi is home and all okay now

Sorry I didn't get a chance to reply - took another look at his stomach and rushed to the vet instead. Previously: Dog had emergency surgery to alleviate life threatening severe gastric dilation; gastropexy performed at time of surgery. Time frame 22 hours. This morning: Mild-Moderate Gastric Dilation. No signs of shock. Time frame 8 hours. Contributing factors: Dry food, stressed environment. # 1 factor: familial predisposition.

Two questions: 1) What is the tablets or charcoal (?) that you give dogs if they bloat? 2) Do bloating dogs have flatulence?

I suppose it could be argued that all breeds have the potential to be 'at risk'; as it really depends on the applicant and their dealings/history with dogs. And to an extent who they know.

How devastating. So sorry.

Is this black male also the dog that the lady was seen with?

Excellent Guard Stranger intolerant Loyal Hardy My best friend Anatolian, Central Asian; yes. We are content