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http://www.cccq.org.au/News.aspx?id=364 Anatolian Shepherd Dogs From 1 January 2012 ANKC Ltd will combine the registrations of Kangal Dogs and Anatolian Shepherd Dogs under Anatolian Shepherd Dogs.

Fit For A King, unique Kangal bloodlines in Australia do not exist in todays ANKC Kangals. Your math will improve when you educate yourself on the genetic facts of what you are attempting to sum. From above: Apart from Takas' imports: Zwingli Des Poteries (Belgium 2008) and Dogru's Turkish Passport (USA 2010), Bonnie & Bastion (Turkiye 2011) there have been no Anatolian/Kangal imports of new lineage. The breeding of every other Anatolian and Kangal in Australia, consists of the same 8 Anatolians and 3 Kangals.

Anatolian Shepherd Dogs in Australia: History of Anatolian Karabash / Anatolian Shepherd Dog / Kangal Dog http://www.takasvolkodav.com/anatolian-shepherd-dogs-in-australia.asp

As of January 1st, 2012 Anatolian Shepherd Dogs and Kangal Dogs will be regarded as ONE breed - ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD DOGS.

Absolutely and with a guarding breed they can act very differently with strangers than with their owners. The normally gentle giant can become a very dangerous animal with strangers. I also wouldn't call them a gentle breed. The first one I ever saw was in the group line up at a major Royal show and it sunk it's teeth into the owners hand in the ring when they tried to stack it. Poor dog but the problem here is the owners allowing a large guard breed to escape. If you choose to own a powerful scary looking dog you have to assume that the public and even the pound officials might over react when they see it so it is vital to keep the dog contained for it's own safety. I do not think your pound officials are 'over reacting' - your pound officials (sic) have no idea how to handle dogs. Capsicum spray? I used to think jokes about Australia being on the arse end upside down side of the Earth were unfounded and unjust ...

When you see a Kom like this you know it has not lived like a traditional kom. One of the reasons the Kom did not last in Australia and why I did not pursue a breeding with one of the last viable koms is because the kom's coat is absolutely impractical for the Australian environment. The Koms who showed up to the Royal were actually real Koms. At least you knew they spent their days in a paddock, being a kom. The show kom cannot go outside.

Yep Millie I think you changed the scenario. They are not extra conditions, they are just how the home who is leasing the bitch wants the puppies to be homed

To me, this type of personality in a dog is a special trait I prize it above all others because with this type of dog you can do anything, they are the perfect total package. From an evolutionary perspective, they are remarkable and essential to the history of the dog. imo it is a reflection on the modern human, that this type of dog is widely misunderstood and misattributed, and in some circles, even debunked. Is this one of the desired traits in your breeds Lilli? Just curious your breeds fascinate me A dominant personality type can be (should be?) present in all breeds. But I guess depending on each breed, the dominant personality type would behave in its own way. IE: a dominant Anatolian would have different traits to a dominant German Shepherd or Malamute - the basic type of personality would be the same - it would just be manifested in a breed specific way. In my breeds some breeders do not like true dominant individuals. And to be honest, there are not many homes in Australia that can cater for this type of ASD and CAS. In ASD dominant individuals are very territorial and HA, in CAS very DA and also very active HA. At the same time these dogs will be 110% reliable and predictable. They also have adaptive intelligence, strong sense or order and routine and extremely loyal. Often these dogs will not accept other people once they are adults. My dominant male ASD, does not warm to or accept anyone - even when I am o/s, the carer can only throw food over the fence to him. A few years ago he went to the kennel for three weeks. He did not improve - it did not matter that they gave him food, they could not go into his pen or go close. What makes him tricky is that he does not bark and carry on. Basically he is sure of himself and does not feel the need to bark or growl much warning. In a working environment, he almost hunts what he protects against. Ex: if there is a fox or stray dog, he does not bark / growl and charge in typical LGD fashion. He stares at them intently while moving forward. I have seen him actually crouch in the long grass and stalk another dog, like a cat would a bird. Anyway I built him a custom enclosure so he could stay at my house while I am away. I love him :D

To me, this type of personality in a dog is a special trait I prize it above all others because with this type of dog you can do anything, they are the perfect total package. From an evolutionary perspective, they are remarkable and essential to the history of the dog. imo it is a reflection on the modern human, that this type of dog is widely misunderstood and misattributed, and in some circles, even debunked.

I see dogs who live in groups and there definitely is physical harm in some altercations and it is not by accident. How much injury a dog wants to risk depends on need/want Vs physical pain and capability. To me it makes more sense that a dog's 'necessity' for physical altercation depends on its instinct and environmental feedback. One of my best girls is very physical with her pups, not all of them, but usually there are one or two who forget where they inherit their alpha birthright from. Even when there are physical altercations between dogs from different families, physical harm is definitely part of the 'negotiation' process. Of course, physical alteration is not used in the first instance between dogs that live in the same group, but I think it is definitely part of their communication repertoire. A natural dog's coat and morphology can actually withstand physical harm quite well. Ie: harm will be received as physical pain but the risk of death and infection is very low. So it is very unlikely that physical confrontation between dogs who live in the same group will be life threatening. EXCEPT in the situation where there is an intolerance between two members due to stronger basic instincts. I cannot comment about wolves and coyotes and their bite inhibition as I do not spend time with them

Spot on Aphra

Spoiling your dog and letting the dog do as it pleases, or letting the dog dictate the terms of agreement are not the same thing.

This is not correct. And imo causes the same kind of perception and expectation problems as the dominance=alpha roll notion.

"Behaviours That Could Lead To Dominance" A dominant dog is born that way. Some dogs have assertive tendencies but this not the same thing. I don't think there are behaviors that "can lead to dominance" but there are behaviors you should not tolerate from a dominant dog. But for the most part this is not relevant to the average dog/owner.

Because some dogs will treat you like a dog.

Thank you she is on extra fluids but is not eating. When Ankara wakes up, we will try some of the suggestions.

This. I have smacked / slapped my dogs before - always my correction is instantaneous, almost to the point where I'm aware what I've done only after I've done it. (If that makes sense.) Smack/slap/tap is always in response to disrespectful behaviour, like pushing, barging, nipping, snarl - puppy / adolescent shenanigans.

Has anyone experienced, or had to to treat a bitch with septicemia / peritonitis due to a retained puppy (now removed). What is the best antibiotic? (This is not in Australia so please dont ask / advise to take to the vet as obviously this would already be taking place ) It has been 7 days and the bitch is still alive - though very weak and is not eating. She is being given Flagyl. She also has 5 surviving puppies. Would Clamoxyl or Rilexine be better? Or do Clamoxyl, Rilexine and Flagyl all adversely affect appetite and cause vomiting? (I am waiting for vet in Aust to call but am also asking the Dol collective to see if others have treated a similar situation or if vet nurse can advise on ABs) Thank you

You're in Vic so use the biblical proportions of legislation to your advantage. Basically, you can say for xyz temperamental/physical reasons, you no longer believe it is in the puppy's best interest to be sold into a new home OR the homes best interest. And as you are legally liable for all sorts of things to do with the puppy, then the buck stops with you. You're not taking what is legally theirs; you're abiding by your State Legislation and being a good breeder.

I observed a litter last year where there was a puppy born with no anus. Nothing to do with the NBT gene. Actually it was from a Central Asian ovtcharka litter as retrieverman likes to call them. I guess that shoots some holes into his NBT = no anus theory.

My dogs spend a lot of time on their own without human contact (13+ ?) but they have the contact of their small packs and I really don't think they are worse off for having less human time. I guess they do their own thing during the day. Chase, sleep, play fight, maybe real fight, but probably not :D They go about their business and seem happy. Sometimes when I go out there, they hang around me for a while but then its like, meh! you're boring, you can't run with us and you can't keep up, what good are you ??? Their minds are always active and I don't believe they are bored. To an extent they pretty much do what they like.