Akayla

Good point. I went looking through my folders tonight at all the GSDs I have owned (and shown) and I couldn't find what I would call an extreme example amongst them. There are some extreme dogs out there (of course) but personally I don't see very many at all and I go to enough GSD specialties to have a good idea. As for the clip that's going around the owner states how they were not allowed to let the young dog move but instead they had to stand around waiting for hours. The bitch was usually shown outdoors but the indoors/crowds/standing still for too long made the dog anxious and a bit silly. It happens. While I agree that at such a well known show you would like to see a really bomb proof dog I can understand that it can just happen occasionally. What I would really like is to see her on the move properly. When she isn't mucking around. Straight out in front and on the move. Then I feel like I could make some reasonable comments. There was even a photo of her when she was about to sit/being pulled out of it that was used as an example of her stacked. Ummmm hello any dog would look bad like that :laugh: I don't think she would be my cup of tea when it comes to GSDs but at least to see her stacked and then moving properly before I made any harsh judgements. This isn't the first time the breed has gone through change and it wont be the last. From saddle backed, to really short legs, to too long legs, to no chest/bad underline, to the extreme opposite, to foxy heads, to over the top skulls, even just too short to too large. The GSD has been there. The extreme slopes are just another blip in the breed and since in my experience there aren't many breeders out there aiming for that I cant see it lasting either. A well balanced dog will beat the extreme dogs and the wheel will keep turning. For the record I have actually witnessed a judge doing this. He basically said the bitch was too extreme and she was placed further back. The more well balanced bitch won.

The stud books are not closed.

I think Rook is Balto's uncle.

I am going to vote GSD purely because I am a woman who lives alone with her kids and the GSDs have always worked as deterrents. When my bitch died within weeks I had stupid teenagers being idiots and knocking on windows at night etc. Got my new boy, taught him to sit in the window and even as a tiny baby puppy they stopped. GSDs are just great at making you feel safe plus Jerry Lee wants to be around me all the time too. The closer the better really :laugh: He is great company. I do find the boys a bit more cuddly. We had a Dobe growing up and while I find them amazing gorgeous dogs going on your description Id say GSD rings more true. You do get morning fur tumbleweeds but they don't need lots of brushing. A quick go of the brush as often as needed and you are right. I don't even notice the hair anymore :laugh:

Rook! I do love this boy. He has a super gorgeous personality. Well actually so does Balto (another Tamaskan) who's owner is a member here too :) I am super jealous you got to meet him! About being so many males, two were imported at the same time wanting boys and the others moved here with their boys. I will see if Balto's owner wants to come answer some questions :)

He has a very bad reputation and there are a number of his dogs being rehomed. Be aware that the pups are from one pure parent and one animal that may be a mix. Last time I checked he doesn't bother with health tests (the breed does actually suffer from some severe conditions that should be tested for) and doesn't do any socialisation etc. Contacting him via his website is usually the best way.

Maybe the training isn't the problem. Maybe he does need to put something out to keep them busy as well as ignoring any noise. Can you suggest he get them a puppy kong or something? PS - that kind of training did not work on my GSD! :laugh:

I'm honestly not surprised. A few people have called and it seems (I haven't seen them personally) more like an inexperienced owner with basically a working/high energy breed. They (there's two separate) have hit adulthood and having no boundaries etc are playing up. Hopefully someone who has a bit more knowledge will take them on.

Yep she would be (and he) from the guy in Alexandria NSW. I don't think he would take her back but you never know. There is a FB group for them now I will post up on there. Someone might know someone who could take her. He is the only breeder that has advertised so far but there is rumour of another maybe, might start up. His dogs at last check were not papered and the breeder of one parent was known to cross. So that individual has no papers. The other parent does. I love the breed and have been involved for ages but I am not happy with these puppies being produced from untested, unpapered parents. They are usually gorgeous dogs. Not for beginners but not monsters either :)

There is a board so to speak so branches and important issues are discussed BUT each shelter deals with unique situations/rules/regulations so there is a lot of independence. For example the ACT branch is responsible for cats, kittens, puppies and so on. The council only dealing with adult dogs. So they do a lot of work. RSPCA ACT also broke away to allow pitbulls to be rehomed at a time when that wasn't the norm. Something we were all very proud of at the time. SG - I remember taking in kittens from QLD because they were getting something like 200 in a week. It was always good to get to talk to other branches :D Yeah the poor office team (including the CEO) are stuck out in that stuffy small demountable but it was quieter than the other sections :laugh: Its all run pretty well and set up as best as possible at the time( a lot better than DAS if you ask me). It was rebuilt after the fire. However obviously by todays standards there is a lot they would change. I am sure they will improve the layout with the new build.

Yes they had an extraordinary number come in. One lot was mostly small animals though. Birds, rodents and so on. I think it was like 300 from that case alone. Also they do run some educational programs there and training classes.

People are going to create new breeds. So long as they are doing it ethically and honestly I don't see an issue. In fact the concept of having an outside body keeps tabs is a great one as many developing breeds have issues with people lying. I have met both kinds of people in developing breeds. Those that lie, lie,, lie to sell regardless of the outcome for the poor dog and then there are those that are doing it right. Its actually pretty sad seeing the way people treat them. They behave no different than those with registered breeding dogs. Id rather judge on their deeds. Admittedly oodles and cobberdogs make me flinch at the name but if someone is out there going about things the right way then what's the problem? I will reserve judgement. See what they do. I do know of another "breeder" who lies through their teeth and bad mouths all other dogs just to sell. They claim they are developing a breed but so far their actions have said they care more about status and money. Breeders like that I wont support. My two cents anyway.

Oooo that's cool. Thanks for posting. He must have worked with my dad in Timor. :)

It is a very cute ad but it kind of irks me that yet again the Wolf is depicted in such a negative way.

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PS I was attacked by a rabbit too as a kid and he used to terrorize the cats. Although not because he was aggressive, he had other ideas about the cats :laugh:

When I got Jerry Lee I decided he was coming with me everywhere at least in the beginning. So he would hide in my bag (pretty funny considering he's a GSD). Everyday he would come with me when I'd drop my daughter to school and pick up. By 4 months or was getting a bit tricky so he had to walk. By 6 months people got "scared" so of course the principal asked me to stop bringing him (though SWF's were fine). I still walk him but hover just outside the limit for schools (and wave to the stupid principle). Long story short he is far, far better in public than most of my other dogs. He certainly seems to understand and have more patience with timid children than most dogs his age. I think having dogs with us really does make a big difference. Even if it's just running errands. I also made sure he was more of an inside dog. I started to question the attitude of dogs need huge amounts of time outside to exercise. My dogs want to be with me inside so why force them out? I believe we need to change as a country and become more excepting of dogs out in the community. They should be allowed in more public places.

My last GSD bitch died at 10 from Cancer but her mum is/was still kicking at 16. Her mums mum was 14 and so was her mum. They died from old age really. To date the WL I have owned have had issues. HD and skin problems. Temperament was fine if a little difficult going through that teen stage. I think the most important thing to remember is WL doesn't make it healthy. There are SOOO many breeders now that call themselves WL who breed very sickly dogs. Plenty of WL breeders who just don't give a hoot. Just like there are SL breeders that are pretty bad too. My current GSD is from SL as well and healthy. Dogs like people can have issues. Its just the luck of the draw. ALL breeds can have issues as can mutts.

I don't get the amusement when it comes to such aggression. Some of it seemed to be a very genuine warning and I foresee some serious bites from the large dogs. The one under the bed didn't bother me as much. I guess while it would upset me to own a dog that was really scared of such things my thought while watching was clever dog. I watched a youtube not that long ago about dogs being funny and found 90% of it quite disturbing. Some people just have no dog sense at all.

Doesn't bother me. They get lots of pure looking dogs (without papers) and some pedigree as well as crossbreed. Also plenty of workers adopt. Besides sometimes ads are made with what is at hand and with who can handle the job. No big deal but that's just me. I'm personally more interested in "success" stories from shelters as ads. Real ones.

Don sounds like you need to keep a piece of solid cardboard nearby. When they start cardboard comes down between as you pick one up. So you don't get bitten. Also lifting a dog up can cause the other to lunge so the visual barrier would help I think. Hope it's sorted soon. Being on the floor probably just means that they can fight over you more easily. Being up higher might be enough distance or deterrent to put them off.

I know I have it :laugh: Isn't it encyclopedia of the dog or something?

Not on the computer but the dogs seem to know when I am working on velour paper. They will be fast asleep in the other room till suddenly I need to get a piece out. Its furry and attracts hair like nothing else! Once I have drawn on it I have to remove the hairs one at a time with a pin. Usually with two fluffy onlookers breathing and dropping hair *eye twitch*.

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Although I must admit there are a few dogs listed here that I have also thought beautiful.

I knew a lady in her eighties that bought a Labrador puppy. She had the means though. She hired a top notch trainer to help her get past the puppy age and get the dog walking nicely etc. She walked the dog herself every day. She also left money to the dog and had someone lined up to care for it if she ever passed away. So I think it can work. I know people that have decided nope that's it at a certain age as they didn't feel it was fair anymore. My plan is if I still need a canine is to adopt elderly dogs from rescue. Its not like there aren't thousands looking for homes that would be more suited to the slower pace of life. That's assuming Im up to it and I have the money to provide for them.