Loving my Oldies

It doesn't mean that her statements should go undiscussed or unchallenged. It doesn't matter whether a person is compassionate or not, this is an open forum and as such views can be agreed with, disagreed with, discussed and challenged. Frankly, I don't believe your story belongs here, because your situation was as far removed for Toffee's as it was possible to be. :) DD go for your life as you appear to be running this thread. Sorry for even speaking about death and dogs. I have no idea what you are talking about Nic, but it appears I have offended you and I am sorry. What I meant is that Toffee was a healthy dog, in the prime of life. Annie was elderly and her health heavily comprised. And I don't recall you ever mentioned it, so only from what I recall, I don't believe your father asked for her to be euthanised when he died.

OMH!! Fantastic news. I hope the people who took her are prosecuted, but I imagine she was taken anonomously to the vet.

It doesn't mean that her statements should go undiscussed or unchallenged. It doesn't matter whether a person is compassionate or not, this is an open forum and as such views can be agreed with, disagreed with, discussed and challenged. Frankly, I don't believe your story belongs here, because your situation was as far removed for Toffee's as it was possible to be. :)

Maybe, but it still doesn't make it right. Should not be the owners right IMO. This dog could've found another owner in need of an assistance dog. Selfish owner. Selfish AND cruel.

And of course you know, unequivocally, that Toffee did not experience pain or distress.

Your argument totally lacks logic and judgement. We are not discussing other people and other dogs. We are discussing the fact (one many posters are totally missing or deliberately avoiding simply so they can bang their own discordant drums) that a guide dog, healthy, happy, highly trained, in the prime of life was killed because of the arrogance, self centred and self rigtheous attitude of a poorly advised woman and her family.

And how does that answer Rascal's question?

I have to say I am getting pretty jacked off with all these posts about "my dog this and my dog that". For sure, there are some dogs with such severe behavioural and/or psychological issues that there probably wouldn't be too many people who could cope with them. Toffee was a trained dog, young, healthy, in the prime of her life. And those who are asking where is the cruelty, well all I can say is that you are arrogant and very short sighted. Cruelty is done when a life is taken unnecessarily, whether the creature knows that life is being taken is beside the point. Those doing the taking know. And for my own "my dog this and my dog that". My Danny is 14. There is no way I would ask that he be killed if I died. He is happy, healthy, enjoys life and, to me, it would be arrogance in the extreme sense to believe that he could not be happy if I weren't around.

By that logic, only cases (of anything) judged to be extreme should be discussed . So you would ignore a child who was been beaten, because somewhere else in the world a child is being raped. You would ignore and not discuss a dog who is on a metre chain because somewhere else in the world a dog is being savagely beaten. Now don't accuse me of being over the top or over emotional, because that is the way your post come across. Very flawed and, frankly, very scary logic. In fact it is not logical at all.

Nothing on the last one, Cyan. The searchers have been out all day. Such an awful thing to happen to anyone.

Oh that makes my blood run cold. Thank god Puck is alright, Kirislin. On Easter Monday last year, I had to rush Myrtie to emergency as she had food (a piece of roo jerky) stuck in her throat. Luckily they were able to draw it out with forceps without doing any damage, but it was a damned scarey experience.

Makes me think of Wreckit's post about the Guide PTS in which she says that like it or not, dogs are property. That is all very well, but it doesn't help to reinforce that sort of belief because in some people it becomes warped and they become thieves because they see something they like. In this case, people who steal other people's dogs, that is the way their horrible minds work. They don't see a dog as a loved and integral family member. They don't see that the little dog will be terrified and missing its family and other dogs. They want, they take. Frankly, if they are caught, the punishment should be an eye for and eye, in that they should have to identify something they love (not a living thing of course, but an item of clothing or similar) and watch while it is destroyed. I hope Pixel is found safe and well.

Really . I disagree Can't be overdone when such a travesty has been enacted upon an innocent creature.

I wish there could be more of this. A little dog could be around an apartment 20 times while a big dog could still be contemplating whether to disturb himself or not. Of course, they have to consider their decorating preferences and not be fans of small tables covered in photos and ornaments. :laugh:

Agree. Agree except to multiply plenty by millions.

That's a difficult one, Rascal, and in the final analysis, only you can decide. Going on this: I have a sneaky feeling that I know what I would do :laugh: ETA: I was fostering a dog a long time ago and, despite having happily waved goodbye to several previous fosters and rescues, when the rescuer told me she had had enquiries for this particular dog, I felt sick. Need I say more LOL.

They already know one of the most important things. :laugh: www.paws.com.au

Lots of people out today searching. I hope they find her safe and well.

Tell us how many and their stories so we can better understand how you feel.

so can I I can't understand why anyone would want their healthy and relatively young dog to be put down, because they were dying themselves. It seems a very callous and selfish act. I agree. Well said, red angel. Even if the dog wasn't a Guide Dog, I find the act despicable. I'm sorry, Persephone, but I find your suggestion unacceptable too. I know if I was nearing death and had a young faithful and healthy dog, the last thing I would be asking is for that dog to die with me. The dog didn't necessarily have to be rehomed or adopted as an assistance dog, so the argument that it might not have been able to be retrained for another "job" doesn't cut it with me either. The whole thing is abhorrent in my book.

so can I Oh, I understand, but I certainly don't sympathise. It is a cruel and selfish thing to do.

That is vey sad, TTJ

For people to believe that their dog could never be happy with any other owner is humankind hubris at its worst, IMO. Having started off in rescue as a volunteer walker at a pound, rescued and fostered dogs from many differnt pounds and worked as an employee at a pound, I would be prepared to state that the dogs who didn't or couldn't adjust in a new home was be a tiny tiny percentage of the whole. Now admittedly, that would be vey sad, but I would also be prepared to surmise that in these cases, the right home hadn't been found. Even dogs who have a "problem" sometimes are successfully rehomed and the "problem" disappears. To kill a guide dog so the owner can have the dog in her coffin is disgusting.

I was thinking just that. According to initial reports the one found first, Waggit, was the only one in a coat.

You might have the legal right, but it hardly morally right or decent That said, I don't hold with the family being issued with death threats. The person who administered the lethal injection needs to be seriously questioned.