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I agree with this. And I also like Diva's response saying that both owners are responsible. It occurs to me that we are all too ready to want to and to actually apportion blame. Bad things happen because someone takes their eyes of the ball - it happens to everyone. Of course, some things are totally blameworthy, but we are all fallible humans. Responsibility.

Please don't be harsh like this, OsoSwift. I now you are grinding your teeth at a dog being on a chain and the OP is hoping to be able to let her roam free at some stage. But Skyeedavidson has come on here seeking advice and solutions and does love her dog very much. I think a little restraint would ensure that she stays with us and continues to learn. :) :)

I'll bet you are. You've had a totally shocking experience, HW. The weather isn't much help, either: rainy, cold, dark. At least you don't need an excuse to spend your time tucked up cosily with Maddie and Stan. Lots of rest and warmth for all of you over the coming days.

As I said Kirislin, I can only advise, it is up to the owners to decide whether to take that advice or not. Most of the advise I have given has been taken but this lot seems to be only selectively taken on board. How sad for everyone involved: humans, mum and pups. Maybe it is just all too much for your niece. The stress of caesarian, mum killng one of the pups, then another one dying. It is all pretty intense, both physically and emotionally. Your niece may not be up to the fight, particularly with the risk that she may lose them all. I'm not a breeder, never have been, but when I read some of these stories, I realise how difficult it can be and how it can often be coupled with a lot of sorrow.

Could not agree more; in fact I started to say something along these lines when another poster said she was pleased that the woman had paid the vet bills, but still needed to do more. Unless she sees what her dogs have done, she can still put it all at arms length. She needs to see and understand the physical damage.

What about a photograph, please Esky, so totally un-DIYers like I am, have some idea. Thanks.

I have to go along with this. Skyeedavidson, your girl may become 100% reliable in time, but if your property is not secure what about other dogs coming onto your property. You mention she is so intelligent and obliging, you'd hate to see that personality changed if other dogs were to attack her. And that is such a danger if she is on a chain. She'd have no chance. Sorry, a dog tethered and unsupervised gives me the horrors. They are very very vulnerable.

She is certainly a beautiful looking dog. Is the property yours? Frankly, although they are expensive, I'd be looking at installing a fence. I would be a nervous wreck having a dog on mine on any sort of tether and out of my sight.

Once dogs get into attack mode, it can take a lot of force to stop it. Hopefully, the council will be having some very very serious discussions with this owner. HW, when you are fighting for your dogs' lives, you don't know what physical effort and movement you going through. It is only later you discover aches and pains and injuries. Look after your hand . I hope you are on ABs as well as Maddie and Stan.

Let us hope this is the case. Hope you are okay, too, HazyWal, and no long lasting physical injuries. I think I can speak for us all in saying that we will be following the recovery of all of you very closely.

There are ways and means of expressing yourself, Amax-1. Despite not having been there when the lady was so badly injured, you ask "why was she so close to the dogs." You have no idea and neither does anyone else posting in this thread. The jogger might have been metres away from the man and his dogs and he was dragged along by them so they could jump up and give the lady some lovin'. Unless someone knows this woman and can ask her, or has seen a press report where she is saying where she was running in terms of vicinity to the dogs, we don't know. And as for stating that the dog handler was initially compliant by having them leashed - well that just leaves me . What a good and law abiding man and how awful for him now to face censure. Yeah, right.

You were all in my thoughts first thing this morning, HazyWal. You are probably still sleeping off the shock.

Well, I'm off to bed with a good book and my dogs and my cat. I'll check tomorrow morning, HazyWal, but please be assured, if you need help, please YELL !!

Thanks DD that's a big call for you to drive up the F3 lol. We'll be ok I am just so F**king angry that my dogs are in pain because of a moron My poor little Maddie, breaks my heart I know. I am sitting here with a brick in my stomach and feeling sick to think of your dogs being attacked and they are muzzled. They must have been so frightened .... and you. God, my legs are itching to get some kicks in .My anger would see me up the F3 without a twinge.

Oh god!! I am in shock, HazyWal - I just read this as I have been watching television and reading. You poor thing. Do you have anyone who can come to be with you? Your poor darling dogs. I feel sick for you all. Happy to drive up tomorrow if you need someone. Please let me know.

I'm sure a large Great Dane would be less of disturbance than five littlies all barking at once and charging for the door at some noise :laugh: :laugh:

I get so mad and so distressed when I hear the puppy, Rosetta. The people are known in the neighbourhood for being a bit strange, particularly the woman. I would not be happy approaching them. I have no idea why they got a puppy, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply to be able to say they have a dog. I never see or hear the children playing with her. That is the sort of outcome we would all hope for. Well done your son

Good luck. I hope you track down the breeder and he/she wants to know.

It is impossible to fathom what goes on in the heads of people like that man, Akayla. You mum must have been distraught.

Id like to know this too. Of course petitions help. Particularly with social media - an organisation can very quickly be ruined if they do something illegal or unethical.

That's being generous, LG . Of course, they have the capacity - anyone can pick up a phone and call a vet. Your second comment as to not having the interest is more to the point.

Are you in Parramatta Council, Skruffy? I don't know what they are like, but I had a long talk with someone in my council (Hornsby) the other day because of a Labrador puppy crying with loneliness across the road from me. Although sympathising, the person told me they neither could not would do anything; it isn't part of their remit, etc etc etc etc. If I made a complaint about barking, I would need to keep a diary for 14 days as to when and for how long the dog barked. I know the people are aware of the puppy's distress, because they are at home at all different times through the day. I have seen them drive in, get out of their cars and just walk past the gate behind which the dog is parked virtually 24/7 and not even look her way.

Never a truer word . . . . I was thinking about this thread and how come people have "blamed" to a certain extent the jogger for not keeping her distance. There are a lot of arrogant and/or stupid dog walkers out and about who (like many cyclists) believe that rules and regularions are made for other people. There is a man who walks around here and ALWAYS has his dog off lead. Passed him this morning . And yesterday, I was exiting a cul de sac with my dogs and a couple with their off lead border collie walked up the top road. I slowewd down to keep my distance, but the allowed their border collie to rush at my dogs. He did this three times before I finally stopped walking and yelled at them to leash their dog. I left it until the third, because I thought the BC was only playing, but on the third rush, I could tell by the body language and look in his eyes that he was getting beyond playing. The man kept on walking and the woman took an inordinantly long time getting the lead on the dog. And this morning, I picked up several poos left by walkers who think it is beneath them to pick up after their dogs. So being dog savvy needs to be on both sides, Mrs Rusty Bucket :)

But this is what happens with people who have hoarding problems. There is always some justification . . . . in their heads. Caveat: I haven't looked at the links in the posts regarding the conditions before a clean up, because there is enough without photos to get upset with Clyde, is it possible for you to go there to see if you can find your chooks?

I agree, BoxerB, with all you say, except with the emboldened bit. It is the responsibility of us all to be aware of where we are, what we are doing, etc etc. Unfortunately, those of us who are aware the our dogs depend on us for their safety, most often have to be aware of the lack of care and knowledge of those around us. People are not aware a lot of the time and, if they are, don't care about others. When I lived in another part of Sydney, there were parks where pathways were shared with bikeriders, and I can assure you, they could be and were vicious, many of them believing 100% that their wants were the only consideration. I saw lots of near misses and kept a sharp eye on them for my own and my dogs' safety. On a few occasions, I was yelled at to get my f**king dogs off the pathway, and another time in another park, a rider did actually run over one of my dogs. Luckily he wasn't hurt. But she just kept riding with no apology nothing. Absolutely. I was a morning jogger for many years and though I had absolutely no experience of dogs at that time, instinctively knew to either slow down or even stop and walk if I saw them ahead. I well remember the time when I had done this when I saw a large Golden Retriever lying on the footpath. I stopped running and just kept walking chatting to the dog. As I past him, he lunged up and grabbed my leg at the back of my knee. It was very colourful for a long time I tend to try to have my eyes everywhere in carparks, because pedestrians can take their right of way to extremes