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So sorry for your loss Teebs R.I.P. Atlas

So you believe in keeping the general public ignorant about the evidence which points to how human life can be protected from seriously aggressive dogs? And thereby reinforcing stereotypes that come from lack of knowledge gained from science? While more beneficial ways to ensure dog safety are not followed up on? What you're preaching is endangerment based on omission. That is, failing to address the factors where danger comes from. Which is why you cite not one scrap of evidence for your opinion Your position is part of the problem. Well said Mitta :clap:

Thank you for sharing wonderful story.

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/Bills/53PDF/2010/BOLAB10_2.pdf Amendment of Animal Management Cats and Dogs 2010.. tybrax

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/ayen-chol-inquest-to-examine-registration-of-restricted-dog-breeds/story-fn7x8me2-1226300185880 A CORONIAL inquest into the death of little Ayen Chol will examine if the dog that mauled her to death in front of horrified family members was an American pit bull. At a pre-inquest hearing yesterday Coroner Kim Parkinson said she will investigate the identification of dangerous dogs including American pit bulls and various cross breeds. Ms Parkinson also said she will investigate the policies of Brimbank Council in identifying and controlling restricted breeds. Four-year-old Ayen died on August 17 last year when the powerful pit bull strayed into the family home in Lahy St, St Albans and launched an unstoppable attack. Ms Parkinson described the death as a tragic event that affected a number of people, particularly the relatives of the dead child. She said the inquest was not a commission of inquiry but it would look at dangerous-dog regulations before and after the attack and if anything could be learned from the fatality. A number of people who were witnesses to the death will give evidence, but the little girl's mother Jackline Ancaito will not be required to testify to save her further distress. Ms Parkinson said the inquest would hear from a vet and a veterinary nurse about the killer dog's demeanor after it was captured and about the way it was confined by its owner. Lasor Josevski has been charged with one count of owning a dog that attacked and killed a person, two counts of owning a dog that attacked and caused serious injury, three counts of owning a dog that chased or worried a person and one each of owning a dog at large and owning an unregistered dog. He is due to appear in Sunshine Magistrates' Court in April. The coroner heard it was hoped to have his case completed before the inquest. Mr Josevski and his son will be called as witnesses at the inquest. During the incident, Ayen's 31-year-old cousin Anglina Meymout fought desperately to fend off the vicious animal. Ayen was clinging to her mum's leg when she was fatally mauled. Ms Meymout suffered bites to her arms and hands as she desperately tried to beat the dog away with a table. Her daughter, Nyadeng Goaer, 5, suffered scalp injuries as the berserk dog went for the children, who were watching television. The tragedy unfolded when a cousin, who owns the house, was walking a family friend to the door and the dog confronted them. The inquest will commence on August 27 and is expected to last a week.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/dog-kills-newborn-in-alberta-community Dog kills newborn in Alberta Community. Officials in Airdrie are revealing few details about the fatal mauling of an infant by a family dog in the southern Alberta city. Emergency crews were called to a house in the city's Kingsland area at about 10 a.m. local time on Wednesday after a husky attacked the baby. The baby was rushed to Alberta Children’s Hospital in Calgary, but died at about 10:30 p.m. The husky is in quarantine while officials consider its future in consultation with the family. There had been no previous issues with the dog. Police are not considering laying any charges. "Unfortunately, it is just a very tragic accident," Hamori said. No names or further details about the incident are being released out of consideration for the family, RCMP said.

I'm really upset to hear this. I wish they were being represented by someone who could really help them I have given them contact details for Solicitor, and they have said they will be contacting him. :) Thank you carolee ...x

Great posts P.W

Very sad indeed, thanks for your great effort in helping Zeus. R.I.P.

It was a "one off" decision based on only half the real evidence because Tango's owners and (pro bono) lawyers got "bushwacked" by the Council changing its case from "It is not an Amstaff it's a pitbull" to "Of course its an Amstaff but all Amstaffs are pitbulls", at the last minute (ie, on the day in court). The system let it get away with that. With hindisght, maybe Tango's team should have seen it coming (eg a decision some months earlier to walk away from D Pomeroy and co as witnesses should have sent up a signal of some kind). If there is ever such a case again, the full history of AKC/UKC breed separation, the different strains that were bred or used for fighting (eg ADBA ancestors) and everything else will come out, and the legislation will be interpreted to apply only to dogs that come from stock that is or was bred for fighting. Now I know full well that that expression is also meaningless in many ways, but the point is that the legislation properly applied, even before the 2010 changes, does not apply to family pets who are, or are bred from, Amstaff or any other breed with a demonstrated history in the show ring. Why has that never been argued or decided? Because every time a case has come close, the Council has backed away. They are the ultimate cowards in the sense that they bully until they are really stood up to, and they then run away. But so few people have the assistance they need to get to that point. They ACOs know full well what b/s they have been peddling. Unfortunately, every councillor I have spoken with about the issue, and there have been more than a few, is a mushroom, and not the sharpest mushroom in the compost heap at that. You get what you vote for - politicians. Now they should be a subject to "22 point" identification (1. Is unable to give a straight answer to a straight question. 3 points 2. Actually believes that some breeds are inherently dangeros they need to be killed, because a highly qualified ACO told them so.

Well said Rottnbullies.. :clap:

I keep remembering the case in QLD that went to court which cast a doubt over Amstaffs being the same breed as the APBT which was an absolute clanger dropped by the very party fighting against BSL, all they did at that point was bring the spotlight onto the Amstaff and I am thinking perhaps it's better to just let sleeping dogs lay instead of stirring it up all the time?. We are really only talking about Pitbull's as the other restricted breeds are not really existant if at all, I am thinking if we let them work on the Pitbull thing and shut up about it the BSL thing may fade into the background a bit? I guess it's human nature when you love a particular breed that is being unfairly condemned that when another breed pops up doing wrong like I said, I suppose it's rewarding to say "well, that wasn't a restricted breed", but I don't think it helps the cause and what we don't want is a backfire where they do start adding more breeds on to the list because fighting for restricted breed relief (anti BSL) keeps inadvertantly highlighting other breeds wrongs in the process? In my way of thinking BSL can either get worse or fade into the background and I am torn between whether fighting against it is the best remedy or letting it go so that it does fade a bit and falls off the agenda? There are ways to keep Pitbull's safe for the breed enthusiasts and wouldn't be overly hard to introduce a working line Amstaff instead of arguing and fighting about it, there are other ways to play the game ;) The Clanger was not dropped by the party fighting against BSL, its was dropped by the Council at the last minute.

Thanks guys second entry was not in Aus.. tybrax

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http://www.wyndhamweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/vet-fears-on-harmless-family-pets-being-put-down/2336099.aspx Wyndham Weekly News Skip directly to: Search Box, Section Navigation, Content. News Local News News General Vet fears on 'harmless' family pets being put down BY LAURA LITTLE 26 Oct, 2011 01:00 AM A POINT Cook vet is calling on the state government to amend its restricted breed legislation, believing many harmless family pets are being put down because of the new laws. Karen Davies was among hundreds of dog owners who took to the streets of Melbourne on Sunday to protest against the legislation, which was introduced last month following the fatal mauling in August of StAlbans four-year-old Ayen Chol by a neighbour's dog. The new laws apply to all restricted-breed dogs and requires them to be registered with local councils. The dogs must also be desexed, microchipped and kept in a secure, escape-proof enclosure with warning signs. When outside the owner's premises, dogs must be muzzled and leashed and under the supervision of someone aged 17 or older. Failure to comply can result in significant fines and seizure of the dog. Ms Davies decided to take part in the rally after she had to put down a pit bull which had been abandoned. She said the dog had been well-trained and was well-behaved but appeared to have been dumped by owners who were either unable to comply with the new legislation or unsure of their rights. "I've got clients who are not sure of their rights and responsibilities under the new legislation. The laws are causing anxiety within the community," she said. "Some owners are concerned because they are not in a position to comply with the new legislation. Some are renters and can't make modifications to the property to comply." Ms Davies has called on the government to amend the legislation and assess individual dogs rather than labelling entire breeds as dangerous. She said pit bulls were often a mixture of different breeds, so no two pit bulls displayed the same characteristics. She was also concerned the legislation isolated breeds deemed 'dangerous' from the community, preventing them from taking part in training and other activities which would teach them how to behave. "We have a large number of these dogs in our clinic and we don't have a problem with them because they are well trained and exercised. "I believe there should be laws for dangerous dogs but I don't believe [the legislation] is the right way to treat a good dog." The RSPCA has previously expressed concern about the impact of the legislation on restricted-breed dogs. There are 22 registered restricted breeds dogs in Wyndham.

Its obvious why Clubpsprint has turned up on Dol he is just been banned from another dog forum. Stirring the people up with the same diatribe, best to ignore!! tybrax

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Who is holding a pit bull rally?? Well that's a lot of rot it was always about all breeds of dogs..

They havent got a clue.. shocking!!

Wow that's a really informative comment... NOT. What are you talking about? What exactly doesn't seem right? I know we all like complaining about the fact pitbull and subjective "crosses" are being outlawed, but seriously nothing is going to stop it... These dogs are going to be wiped out in this country, its just a matter of time. I am just thankful that they haven't yet targeted my favorite breeds of dogs, which BTW are every bit as subjectively dangerous as pitbulls if raised inappropriately. The government loves banning stuff based on knee jerk reactions not grounded in balanced reasoning. Its not going to change any time soon. I have given up. The government will make whatever stupid laws it likes based on exaggerated media stances. What really scares me is if we get a few well publicized attacks by rottweilers, bullmastiffs and other breeds owned by irresponsible owners, then the government may massively expand the banned dogs list. Maybe they may outlaw all dogs altogether. Just because dogs have been man's oldest domesticated animal companions, going back around 20,000 years, before even cattle and livestock, hell let this know it all government ban them. Wow that's a really informative comment... NOT. What are you talking about? What exactly doesn't seem right? Well if you had read they article you would of known what i was talking about hey "ATTITUDE"

Something dosen't seem right here..

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