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does anyone know the name of the judge that done general specials at this show, thanks

We live in melboure and show regularly in vic i personally know almost every AST that does the show circuit and i challenge you to back up your claims and point out to me, all these blue AST’s with the bad mouths and skin problem. What a load of BS just ask for terry and jenny with the amstafs ingroup 2 It's not generally the dogs that are on the show circuit which are bred by BYB who breed ONLY for colour. As already said, the blue SBT is virtually never seen at shows which is quite a different situation to the Amstaff - but I'd be interested to know the health stats on BYB blue Amstaffs bred for their colour alone, that would be a fair comparison, certainly not the Amstaffs bred and owned by people who are interested in showing. Ok then, but can you tell me where have you seen so many AST’s ,with the same kind of issues as the SBTs. Very bad skin, lots of them that look nothing like an AmStaff, shocking teeth, etc. Im not trying to be smart, just curious to find out how and where you see so many bad dogs . do you work in a vet clinic or something? I guess you're asking Kirty, because I never said I had no but you were more than happy to speak for her Think you need to re-read the quotes. I pointed out that no one was dissing show-going, responsibly bred Amstaffs. Yes I do support Kirty's knowledge based on what I understand she has seen but I hardly think she needs me to speak for her. So you disagree that BYB Amstaffs bred only for their colour have issues? Im strongly against back yard breeders just as much as i despise the unethical so called breeders/ farmers that have caught on to my breed like a terrible unstoppable disease.its these people that are the cause of many problems that come from breeding un health tested dogs or breeding tested dogs that have severely failed in their health testing.it has nothing to do with the dogs being blue, more of the breeders not putting any thought into what they breed. They let 2 dogs root and believe that qualifies them to call themselves a breeder But i do disagree on the comments that in AST’s the colour blue is to blame for health problems . there are some ethical breeders in Australia that have been breeding blues for over 10 years now without any problems caused by the colour.

Well said

I cant speak for staff bulls, thats why i asked the question . but id do have a fair amount of experience with amstafs and know that bad mouths and skin problems have nothing to do with the dog being blue.

We live in melboure and show regularly in vic i personally know almost every AST that does the show circuit and i challenge you to back up your claims and point out to me, all these blue AST’s with the bad mouths and skin problem. What a load of BS just ask for terry and jenny with the amstafs ingroup 2 It's not generally the dogs that are on the show circuit which are bred by BYB who breed ONLY for colour. As already said, the blue SBT is virtually never seen at shows which is quite a different situation to the Amstaff - but I'd be interested to know the health stats on BYB blue Amstaffs bred for their colour alone, that would be a fair comparison, certainly not the Amstaffs bred and owned by people who are interested in showing. Ok then, but can you tell me where have you seen so many AST’s ,with the same kind of issues as the SBTs. Very bad skin, lots of them that look nothing like an AmStaff, shocking teeth, etc. Im not trying to be smart, just curious to find out how and where you see so many bad dogs . do you work in a vet clinic or something? I guess you're asking Kirty, because I never said I had no but you were more than happy to speak for her

We live in melboure and show regularly in vic i personally know almost every AST that does the show circuit and i challenge you to back up your claims and point out to me, all these blue AST’s with the bad mouths and skin problem. What a load of BS just ask for terry and jenny with the amstafs ingroup 2 It's not generally the dogs that are on the show circuit which are bred by BYB who breed ONLY for colour. As already said, the blue SBT is virtually never seen at shows which is quite a different situation to the Amstaff - but I'd be interested to know the health stats on BYB blue Amstaffs bred for their colour alone, that would be a fair comparison, certainly not the Amstaffs bred and owned by people who are interested in showing. Ok then, but can you tell me where have you seen so many AST’s ,with the same kind of issues as the SBTs. Very bad skin, lots of them that look nothing like an AmStaff, shocking teeth, etc. Im not trying to be smart, just curious to find out how and where you see so many bad dogs . do you work in a vet clinic or something?

We live in melboure and show regularly in vic i personally know almost every AST that does the show circuit and i challenge you to back up your claims and point out to me, all these blue AST’s with the bad mouths and skin problem. What a load of BS just ask for terry and jenny with the amstafs ingroup 2

Thats amazing that a blue to blue can cause so much problems in staff bulls . thats not the case with Amstafs . blue has become the fashion in both breeds and unfortunately the backyarders will just keep on keeping on

x 2 And blue to blue matings.. either highly ignorant, highly unethical or both. why is that?

+ 1 and those breeding blue to blue should be shot why???

Well a bloke not far from us was found with a black mamba, breeding pair of king cobras and a tank full of piranha. If its possible to own one of these in Australia an imported restricted dog is a walk in the park

Ok thanks guys im glad . we were told there is no public access this year, which would have sucked as its a perfect opportunity for the public to meet your breed . Thanks again

has anyone heard anything about no public access to the benching areas of this years Melbourne royal ? is this true and if so why?

I certainly hope that other ANKC breeders are NOT of the same opinion as you SBT123 . So if you had your way all dogs that are not ANKC registered would be thrown to the wolves so to speak. I think this is a very selfish attitude, shame on you. I hope you don't classify yourself as a dog lover I hope you don't classify yourself as a dog lover how true. at least tangos owners love their dog unlike STB123 that can get rid if them without the blink of an eye.

SBT123, I’m not one of your little friends to share chit chat with. So unless it’s highly offensive of which we both know you can be, or it’s something very personal that may affect others. Please don’t PM me. If you have something important to say lets share this information with the forum. Your news could be very helpful to the topic

Look 123. I don’t want to burst your little bubble but the breed assessors partly determine the breed based on its temperament. That is in NSW, and that I know for a fact. Speak to one and see for your self

Dogs are allowed in the house. It's when in the yard they need to be enclosed in a run that meets specs. Of course if you don't want to force your dog into this kind of life, DON'T BUY A DOG THAT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS RESTRICTED. The law isn't new. People need to either abide by the law or suffer the consequences (or more precisely have their dogs suffer them) No need to be corrected coz I don’t think you are wrong. And be careful folks . this is a hypothetical, but stories like this happen every day. if you have a ridgeback x kelpie and it barks at someone who then complains to the local shire , who then brings a breed assessor to expertly identify your dog . the assessor is having a bad day or just doesn’t like you for some reason then bingo your dog is a dangerous one. Which state are you talking about ? Because this is certainly not the case in NSW. Restricted breeds and dangerous dogs are two seperate things in this state, you can have a dangerous dog that is not of a restricted breed. Restricted breeds are allowed anywhere you like, providing you put the muzzle and leash on , whenever they are taken outside of the child proof enclosure. Better do some more homework SBT123 And no one said you can’t have a dangerous dog that is not of a restricted breed. Im not sure what your talking about there. All the breed assessor needs to do is say the dog is at least part restricted breed and if they say it showed aggression then it’s a dangerous one .

Dogs are allowed in the house. It's when in the yard they need to be enclosed in a run that meets specs. Of course if you don't want to force your dog into this kind of life, DON'T BUY A DOG THAT CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS RESTRICTED. The law isn't new. People need to either abide by the law or suffer the consequences (or more precisely have their dogs suffer them) No need to be corrected coz I don’t think you are wrong. And be careful folks . this is a hypothetical, but stories like this happen every day. if you have a ridgeback x kelpie and it barks at someone who then complains to the local shire , who then brings a breed assessor to expertly identify your dog . the assessor is having a bad day or just doesn’t like you for some reason then bingo your dog is a dangerous one.

No one gives a dog a death sentence in NSW, unless the dog has been declared as a restricted breed and is seized for non compliance. If your dog is found to be of a restricted breed at the time of breed assessment ( if you choose to go down that path , rather than fight NOI in court ) you must comply with the restrictions of muzzle, cage, lead etc. You are not forced to PTS your dog. Not every one can afford to fight battles in court. And would you like to keep your dog in a cage for the rest of its life not even being allowed to let it come in the house with you

quote] The police weren't just standing around - they were lying on the dog, immobilizing it. Wrestling is ok for the WWE but no way to stop a dog fight. Fortunately (for the dogs) I’ve been on hand to stop 3 dog fights involving fighting breed type dogs, none of which took longer than a 60seconds. Had I not been there, with what the so called experienced dog people were doing it may have never stopped. Unfortunately most of us feel if we wrestle, punch and kick the dog it is in someway going to settle it down. One more point, it’s a hell of a lot safer for a human to separate fighting bull breeds than to separate most other breeds, and that’s a fact you can’t dispute.

Mate I’m disgusted that people I used to look up to, are the very people from within our breed that have the power to give your dog a death sentence. I have to say im gutted

Yer well that really depends on what you call an attack. What if you dog is attacked but overpowers the attacker and badly hurts or kills it. is your dog then dangerous? What if bystanders punched and kicked your dog in an effort to separate them only enraging your dog that was 2 minutes earlier minding its own business, but is now labeled a dangerous dog. And because no one knows how to separate fighting dogs the ranger just shots your dog.

I think it’s great if they have changed their ways. But I find it hard to forgive or trust one who has turned their back on us for so long

Poor little sam. I don’t know about you guys but sometimes I feel like giving pushy travelling salesmen more than a nip in the leg. It makes you realize your dogs aren’t even safe in your own home

thanks for the link. should pin this one