rottiadora

Agree with that. One look into those beautiful expressive eyes then you're hooked.Love them for that! Move over Border Collies. C'mon in, I'll just lay here, you help yourself. When the mood strikes. Oh so true!Well summed up 'gredan'

As are 99.9% of APBT's in Australia. I'm not denying "some" have the urge to fight (with strange dogs) in varying quantities. An honest breeder would admit the same urge is there in the other two "breeds" in varying quantities aswell. Most common are the qualities that make the whole group such great family pets.

Until the early 19th century, the Bulldog used for bullbaiting in England was more active and longer-legged than the breed as we know it today, 19" maximum for the AmStaff. It is thought that the cross of this older Bulldog and a game terrier breed created the Staffordshire Terrier and American Pit Bull Terrier. Originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half, Pit Dog or Pit Bull Terrier. They were used for hunting small game and pests (including rats, rabbits, hares, etc) that's why the terrier name stuck and are classed as such.

Pit Bulls, AmStaffs and Staffies have been fulfilling the role of "family dog" for as long as there have been Pit Bulls and Staffies and are well suited. ANd dont forget apbts have been bred as fighting dogs long before the apbt name even existed right to this day. No need to single out the APBT. The exact same is very true for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. So what? All are generally great family dogs.

Staffies, AmStaffs/APBT's are classified as a Terrier actually.

My electricity meter reader says he has the most trouble with Cattledogs, Border Collies and little fluffies. I asked about Pitties, Rotties and hunting dogs. He said that he didn't rate them in his "be wary of" list. He also said that if a Bully type dog doesn't want you in there yard, he'll tell you before you go in. Whereas a working breed will let you in, only to not let you out again without a nip to the hind quarters.

Pit Bulls, AmStaffs and Staffies have been fulfilling the role of "family dog" for as long as there have been Pit Bulls and Staffies and are well suited.

Yes it is. (I am a member by the way) I used it and edited because the points are honestly something I would look for in any breeder. MDBA or not.

Neither of those silly examples of yours. But, in answer to your question :D . A reputable APBT/Amstaff/Rotti/ANY BREED breeder is: 1. One who at all times, would have a goal of breeding to improve, restore or develop the breeds via a process of selection over successive generations and, before breeding a litter, would give serious and equal consideration to construction, temperament, health and soundness, in the choice of breeding stock. Will always bear in mind that aggression and nervousness form no part in temperament and character of any dog. Should aim all breeding to the improvement of the breed 2. No bitch would be mated without due consideration as to the well being of the bitch and her offspring. 3. Would not deliberately in-breed with mother to son, father to daughter or brother to sister unless he/she has clear & substantive reasons. 4. Would agree that he/she will never provide false information regarding the parentage of the litter. 5. Would not breed a litter unless he/she were certain of finding good homes for the puppies. As the owner of stud dog(s) he/she would make it very clear to the bitch owners of the commitment and facilities necessary to rear a litter. Would never allow any puppy to leave the premises to go to a new home before the age of 8 weeks. No puppy should be sold without having had its first vaccination and regular-worming treatments and would provide documented evidence of such to the purchaser. 6. Would never supply a puppy without a diet sheet. A full and accurate puppy care sheet(s) would be supplied to the purchaser, outlining health care information, heartworm control, flea control, reasons for desexing, microchip information, etc. 7. Would provide a full and detailed health record of any puppy he/she sell's to the purchaser showing a complete history of that pup from the date of whelping to the date of delivery. And will keep breeding and health records for all dogs in care. 8. Would provide a written health guarantee for every pup bred and sold. Provide on going support and advice for the life of the pup. 9. Never knowingly sell any puppy/adult dog to laboratories, pet shops or dealers in dogs or to person's known to sell stock to any of the above. Shall not provide any stud services to such persons (a dealer is defined as any person who regularly buys stock for sale at a profit). 10. Screen prospective buyers for suitability and shall fully advise them of the characteristics of the dog as a breed stressing the necessity for care, grooming and ample exercise. Register all pups with the breed's registering body unless they are disqualified from registration due to a non recognized colour. Supply the buyer with the dog's registration papers from the breeds' registrar unless this is not practicable in which case would provide an endorsed copy to the buyer . would also clearly state whether the puppy is on limited register or full register (where applicable) and explain the benefits and restrictions of that register. 11. Would never allow a puppy or adult which has any apparent physical defects or which shows definite departure from the Breed Standard to be knowingly sold without the buyer being made aware of such defects and its possible consequences. Will only sell puppies and adults, which, to the best of his/her knowledge and belief are in good health at the time of sale. 12. Would impress on the buyer that they should contact me in the event of any problem arising with the puppy or adult and make every effort to be of assistance in these circumstances. In the case of a dog needing to be re-homed, will take full responsibility to assist as much as possible in achieving this end and will accept the return of that dog at any age if this in any way possible. 13. Advertising would be strictly factual. I will not use misleading exaggeration or unfounded implications of superiority. would not promote the dogs as something they are not. 14. Would refrain from making negative or malicious statements about other breeder's, their dogs or practices. 15. Would be co-operative in any measures aimed at eradicating hereditary diseases or genetic defects. Would seek information and understanding of genetic diseases and defects and use this understanding in my breeding program. Would commit themselves to a positive breeding program aimed at eradicating such hereditary diseases or defects known or suspected within my breed. 16. Would be honest and forthright in notifying any genetic or heritable diseases found to be in any dogs I have bred and pass on any information required to help breeders make necessary choices in their breeding program. 17. Would not breed a litter unless he/she had the time and facilities to devote proper care and attention to the rearing of the puppies and to the well being of the dam. 18. Any dog/puppy in his/her care would receive immediate professional attention should it become ill. 19. Would continue to offer helpful assistance to any puppy/adult dog buyer as long as such assistance is required. 20. All dogs in the breeders care would be adequately housed in clean, comfortable and weatherproof accommodation with a minimum of 2 hours off lead and exercise with appropriate stimulation and companionship per day. 21. All dogs in care would be under control at all times, housing and exercise areas kept clean and all care taken to limit possible disturbance to neighbours. 22. Would lead by example and advocate responsible dog ownership. 23. Would microchip all animals as prescribed by law. All follow up paper work will be fulfilled and sent to the appropriate canine authority. 24. Would exhibit and promote excellence in the discipline and practice of dog breeding. 25. Would encourage the exchange of knowledge, of technical, practical and ethical matters between breeders. 26. Would act and advise in accordance and within the parameters of his/her experience.

A reputable breeder in the States limits you to to the ANKC breeders of AmStaffs and Staffies. For an explanation of what being a reputable breeder is I suggest you look on the ANKC and individual state bodies web sites.

Buy from a reputable breeder or rescuer. In the States that limits you to AmStaffs and Staffies. In the territories there are no breed limitations.

It's really not that hard. Yes, care should be taken when around strange dogs. So what? Socialising and obedience when young is the key, aswell as a reputable breeder.

Utter rubbish!! No harder than any other breed. Loose lead walking is no harder than any other breed of a similar size. Ask anyone who has done obedience with one. Size and strength have little to nothing to do with walking a dog properly. Of course I would recommend puppy pre-school and beginner obedience classes to new owners. As I would for any breed to any family.

Why no? Apart from being careful with the APBT Amstaff Staffy around strange dogs, they have no issues. They do suit many average families.

Not for everyone, that's true. Just as a Border Collie, Lab, Rotti, Chi or Pom, etc have their place. My point is: they are more likely to be child/family friendly than most breeds, it's just the way they are. That's the truth

I agree witl everything "Lo Pan" says. They are not a guardian breed. More a companion breed. As a breed they do not guard well at all. They are most likely to say "C'mon in". Unless the prospective burglar has a dog. lol Temprement tests consistantly rank them highly. They are very trainable. They are up around Border Collie level in intelligence. The only fault within some of the breed is that it is prudent of an owner to be careful when meeting strange dogs. If a dog says yes to a fight then the Pitty, Amstaff will win. They are absolutely fine within their group though. Much like a (working bred) Cattle Dog in that respect, probably more predictable though. IMHO they are more child friendly than any other breed. I would have no hesitation in recommending an APBT or AmStaff to a young family, youngest being 6.

'alpha bet' I guess I'll just have to disagree with you I'm basing my positive opinion of these great breeds on 40 years as a vet nurse, carer, obedience trainer. Yes they can have issues with strange dogs. In an obedience class environment it does take a trainer who knows the breed to teach the owner and dog how to behave around others. They would be are the most people friendly dog breeds their is. As others have stated: I don't know what you have to do to an APBT/AmStaff to make them human aggressive. It's just not in their nature. The dogs we are most careful at treating in the surgery are the lap dogs and the un-socialised "back yard protector" that's been left on the chain. Rotties/ACD's doesn't matter, they're all included. Breed doesn't come into it. Hunting dogs, working dogs, APBT's, AmStaffs, Staffies are some of the easiest. No offence meant but... You seem very negative/overly critical about the APBT, AmStaff and hunting dogs.... Why? If you don't like them, fine. Ridiculing them on an open forum seems a little unfair to me. A bit like kicking them while they're down :D

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's illegal to breed (or advertise/sell) APBT's in the territories, ie: ACT and NT. They only have the nation wide import ban.

That's the trouble isn't it. Although I think the owners who are not as you describe are less visible. Seems to be a human trait to see and remember the worst, especially if egged on by media and the fear brigade. Yes it is true, there are wankers, but please don't put all APBT/AmStaff owners in the same box. They are a very family friendly breed, much like their 1st cousin the Staffy. Definitely up there with the best! If not the best. EDIT - I just watched "Flashdance". The girls dog is a Pit Bull. Positive images of a Pit Bull on screen. The Ken Burns documentary "Horatio's drive - America's First Road Trip" has a Pit Bull named Bud in it. Worth seeing. The first dog (in a car) to cross America. He looks cute in his goggles! Some of the old Charlie Chaplin films had his dog (Pit Bull) in them. There is a recent movie called "Dog Jack". Its the true story of a pit bull terrier who was a hero during the Civil War.

American papers.. What sort?? They could be duel registered in America as American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers. Then they are quite legal in Australia to import, to own and to breed. If they are registered with the AKC as an AmStaff then they would have an ANKC recognised pedigree. Therefore legal. We see a dual registered entire AmStaff/APBT and his pups quite regularly.

I'm a vet nurse and volunteer carer and I've had both close contact and have had many breeds over the years: Pittys, Staffies, Cattledogs, Kelpies, etc and Rotties of course. I can tell you the breeds that stands out as the easiest to treat and most people friendly to be around is the Pitty's and Staffy's. Ask any vet and they will tell you the same thing. They are a terrier so they need be watched around other animals but no more than any other terriers. They are a strong dog and that needs to be taken into account. Wa;lk into a strangers yard with a Cattledog or Pitty. I'd take the Pitty any day.

She did the right thing by minding her own business. Unfortunately a bad thing happened. Not her fault! Never thought or implied for a second it was her fault. I didn't say you did. PPS said she should have. whatever whatever whatever

She did the right thing by minding her own business. Unfortunately a bad thing happened. Not her fault!

YEP.... Be sure to report any PB on first sight. You never know what it could kill and injure. Lock all the bastards up before it's too late. It's the right thing to do.

Good on ya!!! Glad you were there to help...... But Just because someone owns a Pit Bull does not mean it's your business to report it (upon it's arrival, before anything happened).