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I have read the whole thread and i am sorry to say lab and poodle that i find your comments condescending and close minded. To say that another trainer's methods which you have never seen or tried are a 'ton of smoke and mirrors stuff' is the most absurd and unjustified comment i have seen. and how do you expect to see anything being taught on a written forum??? I am really glad that the methods you are using are working for the dogs you have. Heaven forbid if you ever have a dog who does not slot perfectly into your methods...then you might be forced to try something else. And i can guarantee you, if you try any of k9's methods you will find they work. Simple as that. Sounds to me like someone is frightened of the unknown. Or maybe you are threatened by methods which MAY be more effective then your own? I'm sorry if you think i sound a bit mean or rude, but to have a pick at an excellent trainer like k9, you would want to have something solid to back up your claims. You have not even seen him doing his stuff for goodness sake. If i hadn't gotten his help chances are my dog would have been put to sleep by now. If you keep standing on that pedestal then one day you are going to take a big fall....but good luck to you.

jeff, what do you define as a nerve 'problem' in that case? Because i, too, thought when you said nerve 'problem' you meant weak nerves...as i assume that strong nerves would not be classified as a 'problem'....

I have to agree with FD!!

dont mean to be harsh but it sounds like it is your friend that needs help. i would be just as worried about her.

just wanted to say thank you Patrick and Jenny for having us in your home...oh and dinner was soooo yummy...thank you Monika It was great to meet everyone and put some faces to names..you were all so lovely, and all the dogs were beautiful!! Patrick, thanks heaps for the photos of the night!! And last but not least..thank you steve for all the great information...as usual it was brilliant !!

peibe, yes it is scary!! and i watch her like a hawk around bees & ants etc...so fingers crossed it is an allergy of the past. Flames Daddy, yes it was pretty scary, saying goodnight to a shepherd and waking up to a sharpei...thought i must have been dreaming. And i hope you will never have to see flame turn into a rotty lol. he is handsome just the way he is!! Hesapandabear...i was told by the vet to get some Vallergan Syrup and i also have some tablets which say "Delta cortef" i think that is the active ingredient. Haven't had to use either yet tho.... SparkyTansy...i have never heard of a dogs ears swelling up...would have been a sight! Are reactions to "mother in laws tongue'' common in dogs? i might do a search and make sure she has none in her pen...! Earnie, as sas said- epi pens are used for severe reactions...it is a device people can carry with them and often saves lives when the reaction is very severe. schools have to keep them in their first aid supplies now, i have never heard of them being used on dogs but i guess it would all work the same. goldielover: that is really interesting about the epi pen. i didnt know they could be that dangerous. and i am sorry to hear about your girl. it is really scary stuff. Dan- what was your dog allergy to in the end? and how did they conduct the tests? knowing exactly the cause, does it change they treatment? Everyone: Thank you heaps for the replies..i am amazed how many people have dogs with severe allergies to things....!

Lablover it is so good to know that even a trainer as good as you has made some mistakes!! gives me hope, that's for sure. Thanks for sharing... i'd tell a few of my own but i am sure no one could believe such stupidity existed in an owner. :rolleyes:

oh thank you everyone for the replies..i knew you DOLers would have some useful info for me!! i am surprised about how many dogs get such bad reactions to bees. it is making me think that it very well could have been that. the vet did give me same tablets and told me to get some stuff from the chemist..cant remember what it is called...i havent had to use it yet but it is sitting on the shelf ready to go if the time ever comes. imy, that is very interesting about the food....as far as i know she hadnt had anything out of the ordinary...doesnt mean she cant have found something lying round the yard...the vet suggested it could have been a plant that she ate....but i cant see how that could be the case. i think she would have had more than 2 reactions if that was the cause. 2tollers...that is really interesting about the bullant bite too...now that IS something she has in her pen. i wonder. i got rid of them after the 2nd time..religiously spraying daily (sorry ozone)...that might be another possibility. we get thse horrible huge ants here and if they bite you omg it hurts for days. maybe she ate one?! piebe..i must say, it did seem worse the 2nd time round. and i am hoping like hell that there is never a third. can anyone get an epi pen? do vets have an allergy test they can run on dogs like they can for humans? at least now i have a few things i can use as a starting point when clearing out the nasties in her pen. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

flames daddy, i am sure ellie would love a little Diva of her own to muck round with....but i can hardly handle one bundle of joy let alone 2 lol... maybe one day

oi k9 i asked a question further up which you must have missed...that age must be catching up with you lol (hope i didn't mss the answer lol)...this is basically it: does she need to be in drive thru the whole exercise?

no there were no other welts on her body, just her face was one huge welt. i was thinking bee sting but i didnt know if bees are around in the middle of the night. the other time it happened was at dusk. and i am sure she has been bitten by bees before without a reaction - whether that means anything or not, i dont know. looked everywhere on her body to find a bite or something, as did the vet, but couldnt see one. doesn't mean there couldn't have been one somewhere tho, it is hard with all that fur. we are in newcastle area on a river...dont know whether there is a plant/animal/something unique to the area. she was in her pen when it happened which is mainly grass, has a shed (which she sleeps in) and a dirt area (which she digs in) and a big paperbark tree. I looked thru the pen so many times for insects ect but it is hard when you dont know what you are looking for. thanks for replies!

Hi, this happened a few months ago to my shepherd. To this day we still do not know what caused it, she has had the same reaction twice. Both times she had to go to the vet and they gave her an injection. The second time i thought she was going to die as her breathing got very laboured, she went from being very wobbly on her feet to not being able to walk at all and she went to lay down away from me where i couldnt see her which she never does. It was a very scary experience. I was lucky that she stood outside my window crying till i woke up, otherwise who knows what would've happened. After the needle it went down within 2hrs. Anyone had similar experiences? I have asked people before but no one has had anything very helpful to offer :rolleyes: ...thought you DOLers might be more clued in lol

i ride ellie on the road and we have had no trouble at all with her pads...i think they get tougher the more they do it. well it seems that way for my dog. when we haven't done it for a while, she prefers to run on the grass alongside the road every now and then as it is a bit softer. i just ride her with her flat collar and a lead. it didn't take her long to learn what to do, i would just stop every time she was an idiot and she soon learnt that to go forward she needed to be in a certain place. have fun

i have never seen a brown one before and i have to say, i think it is the most rich amazing colour, i love it...even more so than the black.

do we know what topics will be covered on the night yet?

i just want to let you know i am thinking of you and your Lane, i was just reading thru this thread for the first time hoping for you to say he was all better...i am devestated.

i have some great videos that would make everyone feel so much better about their 'bad' dogs, they suddenly wouldn't seem that bad after all.

i think the tie back is only there to get your dog used to being tied up and happy to be tied up if they wait for your okay without it and are fine being tied out for a period of time without whinging then i don’t think there is any need for it

K9: yes but not in drive... So if Ells is laying down waiting for the duratin of 3 minutes, i guess she isnt in drive? is this oaky for her to do while she's waiting for so long? or should she be in drive the whole time? She only remains in drive for about the first 20 seconds of waiting.

so if your dog doesnt bite your head off, does it achieve anything? or does it just make the dog not trust you? it will never put you in a leadership position will it? not a proper one anyways.

god i am crap at this dog training thing. thanks for replies

what does rank drive have to do with leadership k9?

yes yes yes, great idea Kavik, i can donate my dog to the cause too! I think she has problems, or maybe i do....

Hey has anyone else’s dogs gotten used to the prong in the sense that the corrections aren't as effective as they were first up? When Ellie first got it on she was so careful to avoid corrections, and now they don’t seem to faze her. Anyone?

henrynchlo wrote: I was taught to have a command/word which turns my dog's prey drive 'on' and 'off'...picking up a ball alone will not trigger prey drive without the word. I find this very offensive, if you are repulsed by us then please don’t torture yourself anymore. LEAVE. And as far as people laughing at your 'opinions' henrynchlo, i think you'll find that it is simply because there is nothing else to do when such ignorance and stupidity is voiced. henrynchlo, from previous threads you have partaken in, it seems to me that you endorse purely positive training methods...i would think you cant get a more positive way to train a dog. There are no corrections, the dog is obviously having a great time, is learning to think, and at the same time is satisfying its natural drives... henrynchlo wrote: Believe me, i think people have much better things to do with their time...but when you write opinions that are based on nothing more than ignorance, then expect people express their disagreement. Before slamming a training method, please at least educate yourself about it first….you might find people are more willing to listen to you if you have personal experiences to back up your words... Otherwise your opinions are not worth reading.