National German Shepherd Show/trial 2010

[Eric]

Firstly I would like to CONGRATULATE ALL THE DOGS, HANDLERS & OWNERS who took part in the National German Shepherd Show & Trial. WELL DONE TO ALL!!!!

I represent a few Shepherd Owners who live here in Tasmania and although would love to be able to make the journey to the National, find that due to Health reasons & limited Income it is just to far and expensive, to travel to the mainland. So we entered the Combined Breeds of Tasmanian Back to Back Championship Show along with 14 other entries, only to find out just before going into the ring that there would be NO CHALLENGE, RESERVE CHALLENGE, BEST OF BREED OR RUNNER-UP BEST OF BREED FOR GERMAN SHEPHERDS. due to the National being held in Victoria and supposedly Hobart is within the 1,000 km.

We were not informed by the T.C.A., nor was it in the Schedule, or Catalogue, no reduced entry fee not that that was a concern, but we feel victimised because we could not travel interstate, as well as most other Shepherd Allbreeds Show People.

If they want to get down to the nitty gritty it is not even a NATIONAL BREED SHOW AS IT DOES NOT OCCUR IN EVERY STATE, only on the Eastern Side of Australia.

Surely Tasmania should be exempt due to the fact of the cost to travel across Bass Strait. I think if Tasmania held a National here mainlanders would be wanting subsidised travel or not come.

Who-ever passed this 1,000 km restriction motion through should be held accountable and it should be looked at very seriously. Here in Tasmania we only have 4 - 5 Specialist Shows a year and they are fading fast, so if we want to socialize our dogs and puppies we do Allbreeds Showing which are very frequent and enjoyable, plus the different Allbreeds Clubs look after there members very well and there are always a good turn-up of German Shepherds anywhere from 14/15 to 28 +.

Hope others agree as I suppose West Australia is in the same boat along with the Northern Territory.

Come on give the Little Island a Fair Go....

Keen Show Goer and Breeder in Southern Midlands of Tasmania.

[Dogsfevr]

This rule has been in for years .

Surely Tasmania should be exempt due to the fact of the cost to travel across Bass Strait. I think if Tasmania held a National here mainlanders would be wanting subsidised travel or not come.

Nope not at all,

I travel yearly from Perth with big dogs ,i would love the option of hoping on the ferry & being able to take the car & float but instead i fly,hire cars & the likes.just to fly my 2 dogs is nearly $800 plus car,accom & the list goes on

If you cant afford it its unfortunate but many people do head to these shows from many states which have it harder .

I now of plenty of national shows held in Tassie that where very well supported by interstaters who didnt think twice same as the royal shows.

Also now of many Tassie people who head over for royals & the melb cup carnival & the likes without a second thought.

Yes i would be pissed at the no CC points not being printed but if you won grp or BIS that was still available.

It is very common in the east & the entries arent cheaper .You are still entitled to all the other awards except cc/bob points

[ellz]

Yes i would be pissed at the no CC points not being printed but if you won grp or BIS that was still available.

Not quite true. Because there was no BOB, there was no GSD in the group lineup so BIG and BIS weren't options and therefore, neither were the points.

Western Australia and Tas are disadvantaged for sure, but West Oz does have a slight advantage in that you ARE at least on the same landform and don't have to cross water to get there. If you don't fly (which is also difficult now, certainly more difficult with large dogs due to very recent airline changes and the fact that many of the planes used to get into Tasmania are not suitable for animal transport), your only option is the ferry and that is fraught with difficulties too.

Travel with dogs from Tasmania has changed so much in recent years and the airlines are making it even more difficult so it will only be a matter of time before Tasmanians will not be in a position to use air travel at all and that will also obviously impact interstate visitors too. Our Royals are already seeing dwindling numbers of exhibits.

[Weizone]

Firstly I would like to CONGRATULATE ALL THE DOGS, HANDLERS & OWNERS who took part in the National German Shepherd Show & Trial. WELL DONE TO ALL!!!!

I represent a few Shepherd Owners who live here in Tasmania and although would love to be able to make the journey to the National, find that due to Health reasons & limited Income it is just to far and expensive, to travel to the mainland. So we entered the Combined Breeds of Tasmanian Back to Back Championship Show along with 14 other entries, only to find out just before going into the ring that there would be NO CHALLENGE, RESERVE CHALLENGE, BEST OF BREED OR RUNNER-UP BEST OF BREED FOR GERMAN SHEPHERDS. due to the National being held in Victoria and supposedly Hobart is within the 1,000 km.

We were not informed by the T.C.A., nor was it in the Schedule, or Catalogue, no reduced entry fee not that that was a concern, but we feel victimised because we could not travel interstate, as well as most other Shepherd Allbreeds Show People.

If they want to get down to the nitty gritty it is not even a NATIONAL BREED SHOW AS IT DOES NOT OCCUR IN EVERY STATE, only on the Eastern Side of Australia.

Surely Tasmania should be exempt due to the fact of the cost to travel across Bass Strait. I think if Tasmania held a National here mainlanders would be wanting subsidised travel or not come.

Who-ever passed this 1,000 km restriction motion through should be held accountable and it should be looked at very seriously. Here in Tasmania we only have 4 - 5 Specialist Shows a year and they are fading fast, so if we want to socialize our dogs and puppies we do Allbreeds Showing which are very frequent and enjoyable, plus the different Allbreeds Clubs look after there members very well and there are always a good turn-up of German Shepherds anywhere from 14/15 to 28 +.

Hope others agree as I suppose West Australia is in the same boat along with the Northern Territory.

Come on give the Little Island a Fair Go....

Keen Show Goer and Breeder in Southern Midlands of Tasmania.

perhaps instead of getting on a forum and having your say, which usually gets no where, why don't you contact the Tasmanian Canine Association who are meant to notify the clubs that no Challenges are to be awarded, this is the 2nd time that I know of where clubs haven't been notified before entries closed. Each canine associaton is notified of national shows at least 12 months in advance.

In addition yes we have 4 - 5 specialties per year, really spoilt where most clubs only get 2 - 3 per year.

Edited May 3, 2010 by gsdzrul

[Pockets]

A bit extreme given it's one weekend a year you can't get points at an all breeds show.

[capanash]

The reason this rule exists is to protect Nationals. For instance people could go off to a ag show instead of attending a National knowing that the main competition is tied up supporting the National Show. This will affect only 1 or 2 All Breeds shows a year so people need to deal with it. Otherwise Nationals become just another champ show rather than being special.

I think it is very bad form for the All Breed show NOT to advertise the shows non-awarding of BOB's ect.... but at the same time you should know when your National is on and that there is a ANKC rule with the 1000km exclusion zone.

[Firestone]

Its a case of either go or not and the choice is that of the individual exhibitor.

I think is a great rule and yes we were one of the ones penalised - not able to travel for health reasons (Doctors orders). The reason I think its a good rule it stops those point chasers running to another little show a few hundred k's away to get points because the competition is at a national event. All these things get printed in gazettes and K9 Journals and exhibitors need to read.

The GSD National is in Sydney in 2011 and any shows in Northern Tassie will be not be able offer challenges for GSDs.

It happened a few weeks ago with the dally national in Sydney and the ABKA held their shows at Westbury in northern Tasmania. No Dally challenge points.

Just out of interest there were some 20+ exhibitors from WA who attended the GSDCA National and they took home a class (Junior Bitch), Silver and Bronze medals with a 2nd and a 3rd in open bitch classes.

These are special events held once a year for GSDs and financially we budget very carefully to ensure we can attend and I know there are others who do the same.

Just for the record the club hosting this event did not know the national was on and were not informed by the State canine body.

The Weimaraner National was on in Adelaide as well

Edited May 3, 2010 by Firestone

[angelsun]

We also are against the 1000 mile reach as we feel it is far too much. People are either going to participate in their breed nationals or not....regardless of if it's across the street or 999 miles away as the crow flies. It USED to be confined to the state lines, now that 1000 number extends from Melbourne half way to the south pole, and I totally agree that the show should have listed this information, and easy to say they didn't know....are all the state bodies not connected in some manner to the ANKC?? Lack of communication is not an excuse for someone to enter, feeling they were going for points, only to find out they were not eligible and would not receive a refund because someone failed to put all the information in the right spot.

Albury Kennel Club's weekend (four hundred km's away from the Nationals) probably lost about $500 or so for the weekend of shows because of the lack of shep entries by those of us that routinely attend these shows.)

We do not attend specialties as we do not agree with the style of dogs shown, nor the manner in which they are exhibited. that is our right, but we should not be penalized because we do not want to attend the circus called a GSD specialty. (flame away, but we are not the only ones that feel this way)

In fact, a lovely lady attended on the first day to simply sit and watch. She showed dogs extensively a number of years ago, and was anxious to see what she thought would be the cream of the crop. She was disapointed to see young pups with roach backs, toes pointing the wrong way and hocks rubbing, only to hear the judge comment that the dog winning the particular class would be an asset to the breed and anyone not using this dog in their breeding program would be making a mistake. She also was stunned to see not only the dress code (bikini's?) but the extensive double handling that took place. She wondered if this was now the norm for dog shows and GSD's in particular. It was her first National specialty event she witnessed, and she stayed only half the day or so, and stated it would be her last.

We strongly feel and have discussed this with a number of local clubs, that it is them that need to lobby their state body and hence the ANKC to have the mileage shortened to a reasonable distance. It is easy for those with shows on their doorstep to say that one weekend without points is not a big deal, however when you must travel no less than a couple hours one way for the closest of shows and there are not shows even within four-six hours drive for many of us rural inhabitants, missing a chance to finish titling a dog because of a show just under a thousand miles away, is in fact not fair.

*please note that the above reflects my opinion, to which I am entitled to express, and although I'm sure there will be a few that flame or attempt to because of my thoughts, it should be noted that you have a right to attend and support any show you wish and have a right to disagree with my statements, however it doesn't have to turn into the bunfight that mostly happens when the topic turns to German Shepherds, and although we are in the minority of those that choose to not participate, we are not the only ones out there, and we are not 'wrong' to think this way.* (end of rant)

[Eric]

This rule has been in for years .

Surely Tasmania should be exempt due to the fact of the cost to travel across Bass Strait. I think if Tasmania held a National here mainlanders would be wanting subsidised travel or not come.

Nope not at all,

I travel yearly from Perth with big dogs ,i would love the option of hoping on the ferry & being able to take the car & float but instead i fly,hire cars & the likes.just to fly my 2 dogs is nearly $800 plus car,accom & the list goes on

If you cant afford it its unfortunate but many people do head to these shows from many states which have it harder .

I now of plenty of national shows held in Tassie that where very well supported by interstaters who didnt think twice same as the royal shows.

Also now of many Tassie people who head over for royals & the melb cup carnival & the likes without a second thought.

Yes i would be pissed at the no CC points not being printed but if you won grp or BIS that was still available.

It is very common in the east & the entries arent cheaper .You are still entitled to all the other awards except cc/bob points

[Eric]

At the back to back held on the week-end not only was no Challenge or Best of Breed awarded for Shepherds, but the Best Shepherd could not go in for Best in Group or Runner Up in Group. The only Group or in Show Awards available for German Shepherds to take part in was the Class in Groups & if a Shepherd won his class in Group he would be able to go in that Class in Show unless the Best in Group or Best in Show came from that class.

The line up for Best in Group 5 was minus a German Shepherd Representative.

Eric.

This rule has been in for years .

Surely Tasmania should be exempt due to the fact of the cost to travel across Bass Strait. I think if Tasmania held a National here mainlanders would be wanting subsidised travel or not come.

Nope not at all,

I travel yearly from Perth with big dogs ,i would love the option of hoping on the ferry & being able to take the car & float but instead i fly,hire cars & the likes.just to fly my 2 dogs is nearly $800 plus car,accom & the list goes on

If you cant afford it its unfortunate but many people do head to these shows from many states which have it harder .

I now of plenty of national shows held in Tassie that where very well supported by interstaters who didnt think twice same as the royal shows.

Also now of many Tassie people who head over for royals & the melb cup carnival & the likes without a second thought.

Yes i would be pissed at the no CC points not being printed but if you won grp or BIS that was still available.

It is very common in the east & the entries arent cheaper .You are still entitled to all the other awards except cc/bob points

[Firestone]

We also are against the 1000 mile reach as we feel it is far too much. People are either going to participate in their breed nationals or not....regardless of if it's across the street or 999 miles away as the crow flies. It USED to be confined to the state lines, now that 1000 number extends from Melbourne half way to the south pole, and I totally agree that the show should have listed this information, and easy to say they didn't know....are all the state bodies not connected in some manner to the ANKC?? Lack of communication is not an excuse for someone to enter, feeling they were going for points, only to find out they were not eligible and would not receive a refund because someone failed to put all the information in the right spot.

Well in some cases no they are not connected and the State bodies are supposed to notify the clubs and in this case Combined Breeds was not notified. Some states have differing rules to what the ANKC set out and an example of this is Queensland not going with Neuters classes or something similar.

Yes we do your thoughts on our breed and if your friend was not there yesterday she would have only seen youngsters in varying stages of growth etc, and I doubt they would have seen anyone in a bikini it was to cold and wet. There was a lighter moment in sires progeny when a green suited gentleman led the group in.

I will ask on the shepherd forum though who was wearing bikini at the national

QUOTE (Eric @ 3rd May 2010 - 05:31 PM)

At the back to back held on the week-end not only was no Challenge or Best of Breed awarded for Shepherds, but the Best Shepherd could not go in for Best in Group or Runner Up in Group. The only Group or in Show Awards available for German Shepherds to take part in was the Class in Groups & if a Shepherd won his class in Group he would be able to go in that Class in Show unless the Best in Group or Best in Show came from that class.

The line up for Best in Group 5 was minus a German Shepherd Representative.

Eric.

Thats right no challenges or best of breed and therefore no shepherd in the group line up. They were still eligible for class in group if not knocked by best in group or runner up in group which can happen even when there are points on offer Edited May 3, 2010 by Firestone

[Heidii]

We do not attend specialties as we do not agree with the style of dogs shown, nor the manner in which they are exhibited. that is our right, but we should not be penalized because we do not want to attend the circus called a GSD specialty. (flame away, but we are not the only ones that feel this way)

In fact, a lovely lady attended on the first day to simply sit and watch. She showed dogs extensively a number of years ago, and was anxious to see what she thought would be the cream of the crop. She was disapointed to see young pups with roach backs, toes pointing the wrong way and hocks rubbing, only to hear the judge comment that the dog winning the particular class would be an asset to the breed and anyone not using this dog in their breeding program would be making a mistake. She also was stunned to see not only the dress code (bikini's?) but the extensive double handling that took place. She wondered if this was now the norm for dog shows and GSD's in particular. It was her first National specialty event she witnessed, and she stayed only half the day or so, and stated it would be her last.

*please note that the above reflects my opinion, to which I am entitled to express, and although I'm sure there will be a few that flame or attempt to because of my thoughts, it should be noted that you have a right to attend and support any show you wish and have a right to disagree with my statements, however it doesn't have to turn into the bunfight that mostly happens when the topic turns to German Shepherds, and although we are in the minority of those that choose to not participate, we are not the only ones out there, and we are not 'wrong' to think this way.* (end of rant)

WHY do you always have to bring this crap up? Yes, in fact you are in the minority so it aint going to change AND we dont care about your uneducated views on the GSD!

Whoever this lady is who 'showed dogs extensively a number of years ago'....needs to get her eyes checked....Bikinis??? I was there the whole 3 days and didnt see anything of the sort! Maybe you need to look through some of the photographers photos to see she is talking Sh!t

ETA: "disapointed to see young pups with roach backs, toes pointing the wrong way and hocks rubbing, only to hear the judge comment that the dog winning the particular class would be an asset to the breed and anyone not using this dog in their breeding program would be making a mistake." ....that was said of a young pup?..... As if!

Now back to the SUBJECT!..... as 'Eric' states, "....if we want to socialize our dogs and puppies we do Allbreeds Showing which are very frequent" so Eric, i have to ask, what is one show a year? You did state that all breeds show are frequent! Do you desperatly need those points so bad that you need to run to a show when you know no other GSD will be present because of the national?......They are only worth something when there is actually competition!!

Edited May 3, 2010 by Heidii

[Heidii]

perhaps instead of getting on a forum and having your say, which usually gets no where, why don't you contact the Tasmanian Canine Association who are meant to notify the clubs that no Challenges are to be awarded, this is the 2nd time that I know of where clubs haven't been notified before entries closed.

[Echo]

Eric, Showdog is absolutely right, this rule has been there for years and applies all over Australia.

When any State Breed Club holds its specialty Championship show anywhere in Australia Challenges can not be awarded for that breed within 150 km of the show venue. So for example when the GSDCT holds its Championship Show at New Norfolk, an All Breeds club holding a Champ show in Longford could not award Challenges for GSD. Do you think that is unfair as well ????

When a NATIONAL Breed Specialty Show is held the exclusion zone for CCs is 1000km from the venue. This applies to all Breeds and all States. Neither Tasmanians nor GSD exhibitors are being discriminated against.

If they want to get down to the nitty gritty it is not even a NATIONAL BREED SHOW AS IT DOES NOT OCCUR IN EVERY STATE, only on the Eastern Side of Australia.

What a load of rubbish! A National Show can be held anywhere that the respective National Breed organisation wants to hold it. There is no requirement for it to be rotated between all States. It could very well be held in the same City or State every year if desired.

[Julie R]

*****What a load of rubbish! A National Show can be held anywhere that the respective National Breed organisation wants to hold it. There is no requirement for it to be rotated between all States. It could very well be held in the same City or State every year if desired.

*****

Hi

Just a reminder of a couple of ANKC regulations Part 13 regarding National Shows. First the ruling was changed to 500km, than a majority of members complained so it was changed back to 1000 k's and the other ruling covers venues/states hosting a National.

Pam

4.2.5 Where a National Show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded for the

breed/s involved in the National Show, within a radius of 1000km from the show on

that day/s. (Amended 10/08, 7.1) (Amended 10/09, 6.3.2)

[The change to above Clause 4.2.5 from 500km to 1000km to be implemented as

from 1 March 2010. (Amended 10/08, 7.1) (Amended 10/09, 6.3.2)

4.3.3 Approval to conduct a "National Breed Championship Show" shall not be granted,

except in extraordinary circumstances, to the same breed in any State or Territory in

succession.

[Shepherd Lover]

Not correct Pam.

Phone your Kennel Control and you will find the new rule is 500 kms. It was previously 1000 kms. and was changed THIS YEAR to 500 kms.

You might be reading from a rule book that is outdated.

[Dracdog]

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a Club sec she told me that apparantley after Qld sucessfully negotiated the distance down to 500Km it has been put back up to 1000Km for Nationals approved after May this year.

[Firestone]

According to the canine control its 1000 ks

[Shepherd Lover]

It would be nice if the ANKC/Canine Councils could make up their minds.

[Eric]

In reply to Heidii's quote regarding needing to chase points that badly.

Well that is not the case with us & our dogs. We like our dogs to actually earn their points and prefer other entries as it is a rather hollow victory if they have no opposition, much better for dogs and Kennel if they achieve high honours against good opposition. At present we are Showing young puppies and decided to make it a family day by entering their sire also for an outing. He has nothing to prove and does not need to chase points even though earning them would be nice, but he can hold his own and has done against some of the top Shepherds in both rings. We knew about the 500 km limit when told by past Shepherd exhibitors at the Show and that it had been changed recently to the 1000km. We were not the only exhibitors of Shepherds at the Show with other representatives there also from larger Kennels. We enjoy going to the Allbreeds Shows, & we have [when members] suggested to the Tasmanian Shepherd Club about a big sponsorship drive to be able to run a National or Main Breed Assessment at the Tas. Clubs grounds on the banks of the Derwent River at New Norfolk, which is very beautiful, Caravan park alongside, Motels, B & B's, Hotels etc. all close at hand and in one of the most picturesque spots in Tassie, but the Club did not look into it enough stating that they would not be able to get the support, which only shows supporters the lack of foresight and dedication to get these events here. I think most Tassie Showers and those from the mainland that have come across to events at the New Norfolk grounds could only agree what a beautiful position it is and should be utilized more.

Also it is a big difference comparing travelling to the Melbourne Cup and travelling to the National.

Eric.